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Man's Hummer targeted by environmentalists

WASHINGTON, July 18 A Hummer owner in an environmentally friendly area of Washington recently learned such preservation efforts don't include his sport utility vehicle.

Gareth Groves said while he had become accustomed to disapproving looks from his neighbors for his choice of vehicle, he was shocked to find his Hummer vandalized recently with a pro-environmental message, The Washington Post said Wednesday.

"The thought of somebody vandalizing it never crossed my mind," the 32-year-old said. "I have kind of been in shock."

In addition to scratching "FOR THE ENVIRON" on Groves' massive vehicle, the vandals also stabbed all his tires and shattered each window with a bat.

To make matters worse for Groves, many in the neighborhood now offer him smug looks when they see what became of his gas-guzzling, 7-foot-tall vehicle.

"I'd say one in five people who come by have that 'you-got-what-you-deserve' look," said Graves' friend, Andy Sexton.

Groves, meanwhile, told the Post his main concern is that fixing the vehicle may only invite future acts of vandalism.


can't say i pity the fool
 
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reflux said:
He should go postal on every prius in the neighborhood.
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funny you should say that:

washpo (complete w/ pic of vic)
Neighbor Lucille Liem, 37, who owns a Prius hybrid, said that a common sentiment in the neighborhood is that large vehicles are impractical and a strain on the Earth -- and Hummers in particular are a symbol of consumer excess.
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i'm not too worried that someone named gareth w/ an eminem complex is going to be menacing anyone.
 
BadDNA

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"They've got everything at their disposal in this city to make a statement in a legal way," Fremaux said of the bat-wielding men who struck out at the Hummer. "I consider this a hate crime."
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Why the **** is EVERYTHING a "Hate Crime" now. That drives me nuts. It's vandalism you pompous asswipe, get over it.
 
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after viewing his interview & seeing his pic (in which both he wears obscure jerseys), more questions raised than answered:
  • does he still live w/ his mom? (ain't no way he can afford that neighborhood)
  • doesn't he realize people are going to look at him & his suv & think "thuggabe; he deserved it"
  • what kind of pr0n does he watch on his in-dash DVD player?
i'm starting to think this wasn't random eco-violence; looking like a cock is reason enough for most people.


disclaimer: property damage is like school in the summertime
 
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32 y.o. & mooching off his enabling moms so he can "create an image". does he need his hummer for dog fight "contestants"?

this beautiful bastard is a true patriot.
 
Westy

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jimmydean said:
Because the person doing it committed a crime out of hate toward the Hummer?

I guess it depends on your definition of "hate crime", but it does lose some of the impact.
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Would someone get extra jail time for stealing bread because they 'hate' starving?


I think they should. Violent crimes should be committed while filled with love and joy.
 
reflux

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ridetoofast said:
there should be no such thing as a hate crime. that is a thoroughly BS concept to begin with. what makes one 'victim' of violence more special than another?
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Mini mart employees killed in the line of work and the Jewish genocide during the Holocaust. Both crimes are equal in your opinion?
 
ridetoofast

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if a million, or however many jews were killed, then no...no different. but if you going to mention atrocities of WW2, be sure to mention what stalin did, oh and yeah, how about the 1/4 million chinese that were whole sale slaughtered in the province that helped doolittle's raiders.
murder is murder, one was simply on a greater scale.
YOU tell me why someones religion makes their life any more special than the your hypothetical mini mart employee.
 
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ridetoofast said:
YOU tell me why someones religion makes their life any more special than the your hypothetical mini mart employee.
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Hate crime isn't about religion. I admit, using the Holocaust was a poor example, in fact I nearly deleted it because it made no sense. Anyway, the problem I have with hate crimes is that they send and reimforce messages of discrimination, hate, bias, and intolerance throughout society.

Two of my good friends are gay. It would hurt to see them dead. It would absolutely kill me to see them dead solely because of their sexual orientation.
 
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i can except holocaust is a poor example and i appreciate your empathy for your friends.
but should a mother/friend/relative of someone murdered feel any less bad, or should the perpetrators of the crime be punished any less simply because they crime they committed wasn't deemed a hate crime?
i realize this thread has become completely hijacked but damn this 'subject' is just really whacked.
you say its a discriminatory crime but is it also not a discriminatory or prejudicial punishment?
 
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ridetoofast said:
but should a mother/friend/relative of someone murdered feel any less bad, or should the perpetrators of the crime be punished any less simply because they crime they committed wasn't deemed a hate crime?

you say its a discriminatory crime but is it also not a discriminatory or prejudicial punishment?
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No--I look at the punishment different. A murderer's punishment, to vary based on the degree, is tough and long. Life in jail equals teh suck. Few people would describe that punishment as "easy." Hate crimes on the other hand, are simply punished to a further extent (to varying degree...no parole, etc).

Hate crime legislation is a response to ignorance and bias in society. If it results in a disproportiante number of a certain social group in jail, perhaps we should take note our society still has a long way to go.
 
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The sad thing is, if you look at the eco impact of a vehicle across its entire life, the Prius is actually worse than the Hummer.
 
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who the heck is CNW Research? While I agree that production costs to the environment need to be factored in, that "article" seemed to be an opinion piece with an agenda.

The Prius registered an energy-cost average of $3.25 per mile driven over its expected life span of 100,000 miles. Ironically, a Hummer, the brooding giant that has become the bête noir of the green movement, did much better, with an energy-cost average of $1.95 over its expected life span of 300,000 miles.
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They didn't say where they generated those numbers from so I'll immediately question that.

Also, neither vehicle has been around long enough for those number to be generated. And the history of Hummers vs Toyotas has the Japs kicking ass. Toyotas historically last a LONG time. So to give the Prius only 100k miles is silly. And I doubt street production model hummers will last much mor than 100k, so to give them 300k is retarded.

Hey, my opinion is just as good as that stupid article.

The point? dollar cost averaging over the life of those two vehicle has the Hummer cost TWICE as MUCH than the Prius if we assume similar lifespans... which I think is being generous to Hummer.

But nice try Einstein.
 
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Kihaji

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And I guess you used the same reading comprehension skills in reading those rebuttal articles (the first being essentially the "nuh uhh" defense, and the second essentially stating what I said, while the numbers might not be right, the hidden costs and impacts are valid).

But I forgot, the eco movement is the new terrorist threat, either you're with them or you're against them, there is no questioning.
 
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Kihaji said:
And I guess you used the same reading comprehension skills in reading those rebuttal articles (the first being essentially the "nuh uhh" defense, and the second essentially stating what I said, while the numbers might not be right, the hidden costs and impacts are valid).

But I forgot, the eco movement is the new terrorist threat, either you're with them or you're against them, there is no questioning.
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That's like saying Iraq is a safer place to live than the US because there are less murders in Iraq than the US...

You're fvcking daft. I know hybrids are really built for yuppies who are convinced they live a "green" lifestyle, but to say they have a bigger environmental impact based almost entirely on the claim that an H2 will last three times as long as a Prius is downright stupid.
 
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That the article you quoted gave the Prius 100,000 miles of life against 300,000 for the Hummer was the first clear example of distortion.

Perhaps you're not a complete ****ing moron, maybe you simply like to bury your head in the sand to protect yourself from knowledge. Either way you still posted complete nonsense, and you haven't stopped yet.
 
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fluff said:
That the article you quoted gave the Prius 100,000 miles of life against 300,000 for the Hummer was the first clear example of distortion.

Perhaps you're not a complete ****ing moron, maybe you simply like to bury your head in the sand to protect yourself from knowledge. Either way you still posted complete nonsense, and you haven't stopped yet.
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Please, read the following until you actually understand.

"While the numbers may not be right, the hidden costs and concepts are valid".

Also, the milage figures are basically being disputed by the "Nuh uh" defense on both sides, because neither has hard evidence to say either way. My thoughts, initial buyer milage is probably lower in the Hummer line, as those people are usually of the class to buy a new vehicle every few years, but complete lifetime mileage will be higher in the Hummers as they usually have a higher resale and hence longer desirability, and the complexity is lower easing repairs.
 
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Kihaji said:
Please, read the following until you actually understand.

"While the numbers may not be right, the hidden costs and concepts are valid".

Also, the milage figures are basically being disputed by the "Nuh uh" defense on both sides, because neither has hard evidence to say either way. My thoughts, initial buyer milage is probably lower in the Hummer line, as those people are usually of the class to buy a new vehicle every few years, but complete lifetime mileage will be higher in the Hummers as they usually have a higher resale and hence longer desirability, and the complexity is lower easing repairs.
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The day the Hummers even come close to Toyota's build quality I'll read another of your stupid, dumb-ass, incorrect, asinine posts about it. Until then stfu because you are simply making yourself look more and more stupid.

I would use logic and facts to show you why but you clearly have no regard for either so I will not waste my time. You want a Hummer? Buy one, it's your perogative, but don't kid yourself that it's more environmentally friendly than anything much except just burning fuel for the hell of it.

****ing moron.
 
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The day the Hummers even come close to Toyota's build quality I'll read another of your stupid, dumb-ass, incorrect, asinine posts about it. Until then stfu because you are simply making yourself look more and more stupid.

I would use logic and facts to show you why but you clearly have no regard for either so I will not waste my time. You want a Hummer? Buy one, it's your perogative, but don't kid yourself that it's more environmentally friendly than anything much except just burning fuel for the hell of it.

****ing moron.
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Do you not know that after 60000-100000miles that on the average hybrid car you have to have the batteries replaced? I forget the actual number but IIRC its something like $8000-$12000 to do, and those batteries pollute too. So most people sell there cars by then, to avoid the added costs. So i would have to say that many of those cars may not have the life span compared to an conventional car. And the thing is, the H2 is built on the same chassis as a Chevy suburban, and I have one of those with 250,000 miles, and its still going just fine, and will probably go past 300,000 miles pretty soon. So don't think that a hummer wont last that long. And a conventional car is cheaper to repair than a hybrid.

But I agree that I don't get where they get there statistics, and Im not defending the H2, it looks blatantly stupid in my opinion. But if I had the money, I would have a H1 in a heartbeat.

But anyway, the perfect answer is to buy a VW:imstupid:
 
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