Proof that someone's dad is cooler than yours...
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I can't believe that they are getting their panties in a wad over this. Nothing got messed up, no one got hurt. A father just let his son have a little bit of fun. Gah. Stupid people.
chances are the kid is more competent than some of the other employees.
Yeah I don't know...............I kind of think of air traffic control towers as one of the areas you just don't play around with.
I'm sure he didn't let the kid direct incoming flight patterns or anything but still. I can understand making an issue of it.
Maybe he just picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
I'm sure he didn't let the kid direct incoming flight patterns or anything but still. I can understand making an issue of it.
Maybe he just picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
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Goddamit what am I supposed to post now?
Maybe he just picked a bad week to quit amphetamines.
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Air traffic control is not the type of job that your jerk off kid needs a hands on demonstration for.
Maybe its just me, but maybe it might have something to do with the fact that those guys were Russian (and probably drunk).
Have you ever flown through JFK , I swear some of the route they Taxi the plane the guy in the tower needs a map
One Kid crashes a plane and ruins it for the rest of them .
I don't understand why everyone is getting their panties all riled up over this. Supervising the child in the control tower is perfectly fine and within the rights of the employees. Heck, it was all fine and legal for my dad to let me steer the car when I was a child and couldn't see over the wheel. Why would this be any different?
Yeah that's exactly the same thing.
Exactly.
No difference whatsoever.
None at all.
Not a one.
I'm glad that you see things my way. Most any job duty is capable if done under trained supervision, a person such as the child's father who had undergone countless hours of thorough and intense training. A skilled traffic controller such as himself can use discretion when in need of a work break, and if he deems his child to be a qualified substitute for that half hour, then who am I to question him?
Not a SINGLE difference between your dad holding you in his lap and a kid sitting in an air traffic control tower with access to up to hundreds of steel boxes moving at 500mph carrying over a hundred people each.
None at all.
Gotta agree with Woo here. I'm not personally outraged but I can't believe someone at some point didn't say "mmmmm, maybe this isn't such a hot idea". Still I hope he just gets a smack on the wrist.
I hope he has to share a cell with Missy Giove.
I'll chime in here. I've spent a fair amount of time at the ATC facility right across the road from where I work and know a few controllers pretty well......in addition to holding a pilots license, and working in the aircraft industry.
For example, if the kids gave an aircraft a "cleared for take off" call, and it in fact was not safe for the aircraft to take off, and the pilot knew it was not safe to take off, then (assuming the pilot is using good judgement) they would not take off. The pilot can choose to not comply with ATC instructions in a case like that.
The arguement could be made that aircraft accidents are rarely a single event failure type situation, that it's several events in a "chain" that contribute to an accident. So one could argue that kids making radio calls could have been a link in that "chain" potentially.
Now was this poor judgement on the part of several people? It sure was, moreso from a public relations stand point than an absolute pure safety point of view. If they wanted to have "career day" or whatever at a control tower, doing that at a MUCH less congested airport would have also been a great idea as well. With that said I believe the media is blowing this totally out of proportion as well.
First and foremost the Pilot In Command of the aircraft is the final say as to what the aircraft does and doesn't do. They can, and do, deviate from instructions from ATC if it would compromise the safety of the flight. So it's not like the kid was "bossing" the aircraft around. The ones I heard were simply radio frequency instructions, and a few cleared for take off as well. I did not hear any of the kids making any traffic deconfliction calls, or "hold short" calls either. IMO no one was in imminent danger from these kids doing some ATC calls.
For example, if the kids gave an aircraft a "cleared for take off" call, and it in fact was not safe for the aircraft to take off, and the pilot knew it was not safe to take off, then (assuming the pilot is using good judgement) they would not take off. The pilot can choose to not comply with ATC instructions in a case like that.
The arguement could be made that aircraft accidents are rarely a single event failure type situation, that it's several events in a "chain" that contribute to an accident. So one could argue that kids making radio calls could have been a link in that "chain" potentially.
Now was this poor judgement on the part of several people? It sure was, moreso from a public relations stand point than an absolute pure safety point of view. If they wanted to have "career day" or whatever at a control tower, doing that at a MUCH less congested airport would have also been a great idea as well. With that said I believe the media is blowing this totally out of proportion as well.
What the press Blow things out of Proportion ??
Your new around here, aincha boy? We got no room for you're well thawt out arguments and your careful dissection of the facts. Either make with the asinine comparisons and overblown accusations or GTFO.
Another interesting thing is how did they guy get his kid into the tower?
This is JFK no? There's no security? Bell Helicopter or Boeing, you'd never get your kid past security. It's pretty explicit. This whole situation is full of fail front to back.
This is JFK no? There's no security? Bell Helicopter or Boeing, you'd never get your kid past security. It's pretty explicit. This whole situation is full of fail front to back.
Of course, that's the same thing a drunk driver says when he makes it home at night...
I know it's shocking isn't it.........
Yeah that's what I'm curious about too. The ATC facility across the street from here is like Fort Freakin Knox........and this is only Little Rock National Airport.......you'd think JFK would have a bit more intense security.
he probably told the security guyz "Hey, this is my son. He is coming to work with me today"
As tight as security is they usually don't see little kids as much of a threat.
As tight as security is they usually don't see little kids as much of a threat.
Probably because the kid didn't look like this?
Again, taking Boeing and Bell Helicopter as and example, employees (with ID badges) ONLY. No exceptions EVER....and if you do somehow manage to sneak someone in, you are risking your job. Zero tolerance.
I was a Bell employee and I got hassled because I went for coffee and forgot my badge on my desk. They do not kid around with this stuff.
Then the security sucks. I'm not surprised, considering it was an airport.
I don't know if you think you're informing me of anything but I pretty much already said that earlier in this thread.
I heard the same recordings you did. I still think it's slack as hell.
Back in a simpler age when I was a kiddie I got to sit in the (pilot's? copilot's?) seat of a Constellation on a commercial flight to or from Atlanta, GA and was allowed to take the yoke and try to steer the aircraft. Wasn't a big deal then, probably shouldn't be today.
The fact that you flew a Connie on a commercial flight speaks to your, um, uh, well saged and long life...
I'll have you know it takes a superior kind of moron to get into airport security. They are a moron's moron. They're like the bastard offspring of a cop and a bouncer with a genetic predisposition for microcockedness.
Cars also didn't have seatbelts then, paint was still filled with lead.......
Fixed
Joey... have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
I'm Peter Graves and I approve of the turn this thread has taken!
but you also flew piggy back on Icarus .....