Race !! Foes Mono vs. BMW Race Link ?

Swine · Oct 26, 2004

what are the race course like around your area. do they consist of big jumps and drops or are they fast a smooth, are they tight or open? the mono is not very light my friend. the foes is def top quality to. quality is not going to be a problem between either frame.

James | Go-Ride · Oct 26, 2004

I wouldn't be using the Race Link as a standard for whether or not a race frame is light or not. The frame's effective weight is around 13.5 pounds, and you don't have to run a chainguide so you save maybe a pound there. However, it comes with 3-piece cromo cranks so any weight savings from not running a guide are immediately negated. The Mono isn't heavy but it's not exactly light either, it's around 12.75 pounds with a steel spring and the floating brake. If you want light weight, the Turner DHR is around 11.5 pounds, as is the El Cuervo from Ventana. It's kind of funny, as people are getting more and more concerned about light-weight DH bikes, frames have been getting steadily heavier. M1 frames were under 11 pounds, and the Disco from Karpiel was right around 10.

Anyway, the Foes is going to be the better sprinter out of the two bikes no question, but it's also not going to be as supple over small, square bumps.

Jimmy_Pop · Oct 26, 2004

a good friend has a 03 mono, 888, Ti6 Hopes, Mag30's and other normal DH parts and his bike weights 47 pounds. So my impression of that bike is that it is not light. Atlest not light enough to have it as part of your argument in deciding which frame to buy. Also, because of the construction, the mono pops, creeks and makes all kinds of noise while dhing, especially in the rock gardens. I can hear him riding behind me. The rear triangle is very wide too and the thin walled tubing that makes up the rear triangle has taken a beating from rocks and crashes. and his foot has worn all the paint off the swing arm too (where his shoe/ankle rubs the swing arm.

He has had repairs (not foes fault) made by foes on his 4X bike and foes is A+++ for service. THey take care of their customers. The mono frame is top notch too and very beautiful.

here's a pic when he had the shiver.

you've got a tough choice to make. there are soo many cool frames out there.

Fury · Oct 26, 2004

James: '05 Turner DHR weight is listed at 10.7lbs on the website, this year I'm gonna see just how light I can get a complete build. Should be fun (and by fun I mean really expensive).

Funky Monk · Oct 26, 2004

It'd seem that if you're hard on your frames, the RL would be a better option in the long run, due to its sheer burliness - no need to buy a new frame anytime soon in that case.

But if you're not too abusive on your frames, and intend to use it only for racing anyway...the Mono would be my weapon of choice.

If you change your mind about the racing thing, it's good to remember that the RL appears to be more versatile (as in huckable) of the two...

I'd go for the Foes - I'm confident it's tough enough to handle a few racing seasons...

Jimmy_Pop · Oct 26, 2004

how much does your MTN-8 fork weigh? are you planning on keeping that on your race bike? i bet that is heavier than a 03 monter t. i weighted my monster this past weekend and it came in at 12.25 pounds.

joel

WestCoastHucker · Oct 26, 2004

My Mono:

very stiff bike, easy to power out of turns with the front wheel elevated without souping thru travel (ala curnutt) a very efficient pedaller.
i have to disagree with the durability questioners of the mono, i don't race but my bike very regularly sees MASSIVE stunts. the bike is unbelieveably stong.

swingarm witdh- not sure how somone could rub the paint off the stays while pedalling, your heels would have to be so far in that they would touch the swingarm in the rearmost part of the pedal stroke and then have to move outward to get past the crankarm/bb interface while in the frontmost part of the revolution then back inward to rub the swingarm again. a difference of over an inch and a half. that dosen't sound like a frame issue to me....

FWIW - my friend has his built to 41 lbs....

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

You getting rid of the Karpiel?

Funky Monk · Oct 26, 2004

seismic said:
Considering the BMW for racing are there any negative points ?

Well apart from the fact that it's about the heaviest DH frame on the planet, no.

That can be remedied to some degree with a weight weenie part spec though...

In the end it's not the bike, it's the...you guessed it.

Jimmy_Pop · Oct 26, 2004

if you are keeping the big bike, and want a light racer, build yourself a 35 pound, 8" travel one of these:

xy9ine · Oct 26, 2004

those bcd's are growing on me... whats the approx price of these?

MikeD · Oct 26, 2004

Pretty sure the BCD is around $2500, full custom geo with chainguide and, I think, I hub. Check their website...

Edit: And I don't think those Brooklyns are necessarily pigs. Look at what James says...13.5 lbs, and you don't need a chainguide. Just because people built 60-lb TMXs with doublewides and 3.0 gazzis doesn't mean the Racelink has to be a pig...

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

seismic said:
No, - keeping the Army :love: and also the MTN-8 on the Army. I use it for freeriding and stuff. I have just been wondering if I should build myself a race bike also, - and if so, which one to get

Thats cool, I think I'm going to order a DHF-8 within the next few weeks to a month

Looks like I have someone to buy my 888 :thumb:

Jimmy_Pop · Oct 26, 2004

MikeD said:
Pretty sure the BCD is around $2500, full custom geo with chainguide and, I think, I hub. Check their website...

yep, $2500

zane · Oct 26, 2004

The BMW definitely has the unique factor going on, and I've heard a ton of good things about them. I have ridden a mono and it felt pretty good (geometry wise), but I did notice the wide rear end. It didn't feel very light either, even with a boxxer on it.

dropmachine · Oct 26, 2004

WestCoastHucker said:
My Mono:

very stiff bike, easy to power out of turns with the front wheel elevated without souping thru travel (ala curnutt) a very efficient pedaller.
i have to disagree with the durability questioners of the mono, i don't race but my bike very regularly sees MASSIVE stunts. the bike is unbelieveably stong.

swingarm witdh- not sure how somone could rub the paint off the stays while pedalling, your heels would have to be so far in that they would touch the swingarm in the rearmost part of the pedal stroke and then have to move outward to get past the crankarm/bb interface while in the frontmost part of the revolution then back inward to rub the swingarm again. a difference of over an inch and a half. that dosen't sound like a frame issue to me....

FWIW - my friend has his built to 41 lbs....

You my friend, are not only a good guy, but a goddam nut too.

ANd i mean that in the best way.

Thats huge!

fireman · Oct 26, 2004

I can't say anything about the RL, but I love my DHS tube and foes has great CS. I sent in the frame to have the swingarm rewelded and it was fast and fairly cheep (200 for welding, paint and return shipping). I would love to get a newer tube or mono with the curnut (mine has a fox). Mine is about 45 with a dorado and reguar weight DH parts (mind you the tube is a little lighter ~1 lb I belive)
zak

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

seismic said:
A DHF ...I am sure it makes a top-nice race fork. Would love to get one....especially after I got the MTN-8 I simply can not get enough Avalanche. There are many different opinions, but the Avy forks are just top notch I think :love: :love: :love:

Which model are you going for ?

A Ti version, just gotta ask Craig to set me up with what he thinks is best for me.

Jimmy_Pop · Oct 26, 2004

Brian HCM#1 said:
A Ti version, just gotta ask Craig to set me up with what he thinks is best for me.

From looking at the Avy site, there is a 185 limit for the Ti DHF forks unless you build the dual steel spring/damper 10 pound model. If craig puts a 185 limit, is there or should there be a self-imposed weight limit for the 7 pound FOX DH40? What about the sub seven pound WC boxxers? Is craig being conservative or realistic or what ?

for the record, i appreciate him setting some ground rules on his products and being up front about it. Maked me trust him that much more.

joel

Curb Hucker · Oct 26, 2004

joel hester said:
From looking at the Avy site, there is a 185 limit for the Ti DHF forks unless you build the dual steel spring/damper 10 pound model. joel

no DHF Ti for Brian hes a

ink:

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

joel hester said:
From looking at the Avy site, there is a 185 limit for the Ti DHF forks unless you build the dual steel spring/damper 10 pound model. If craig puts a 185 limit, is there or should there be a self-imposed weight limit for the 7 pound FOX DH40? What about the sub seven pound WC boxxers? Is craig being conservative or realistic or what ?

for the record, i appreciate him setting some ground rules on his products and being up front about it. Maked me trust him that much more.

joel

I weigh between 185-190lbs, with my last conversation with him he said he should be able to get the Ti version to work for me.

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

ViolentVolante said:
no DHF Ti for Brian hes a ink:

Yep, I'm fat

ink:

Curb Hucker · Oct 26, 2004

Brian HCM#1 said:
I weigh between 185-190lbs

dont lie

fatty

ink:

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

ViolentVolante said:
dont lie

fatty ink:

Actually I do, I lost 20lbs since last year. I still have a bigger upper body from all my years weight lifting.

Jimmy_Pop · Oct 26, 2004

I am looking for get a new Avy too.

i hate to compare these forks, but i hated my risse champ (inverted fork like the Avy). I even had the big crowns at that thing would still twist all to hell. I'd have to pull out the 3-way after every small spill and straighten everthing out.

All my bikes have had monster t's but Im just about grown out of that macho thing.

I like that fact that one company (AVY) knows my bikes front and rear suspension and craig can build and tune accordingly.

joel

Swine · Oct 26, 2004

i would not be on a fly if it wasnt for foes excellent customer service.

i orginially bought a 98 dhs tube as my first dh bike. i ended up cracking it on the downtube, sent it in to foes...of course it was no where near its 1 year warranty...and to tope it off, the previous owner had already had it repeared and heat-treated twice, so no more 3rd time as the metal would be to brittle. i really had no money, foes went through all option including finding a doner frame laying around and all kinds of things. in the end nothing came up, so i thought i was stranded. foes calls me up the next day and leaves a message stating that they had ok'ed me for the crash replacement program(50% off a new frame). i was stoked, mind you i bought this bike used and 4 years old... so giving me the crash replacement program was just out of thier kindness. basically, they have made a customer as long i am into bikes and i will always carry foes as an A+++ company that excels where every other small company fails.

WestCoastHucker · Oct 26, 2004

Brian HCM#1 said:
.........I still have a bigger upper body from all my years weight lifting.

it's your story, you tell it how you want......

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

WestCoastHucker said:
it's your story, you tell it how you want......

Damn straight :think:

narlus · Oct 26, 2004

Brian HCM#1 said:
A Ti version, just gotta ask Craig to set me up with what he thinks is best for me.

what is the stock setting for slow speed curb rolls?

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

narlus said:
what is the stock setting for slow speed curb rolls?

Thats VV, we have dirt in CA.

Curb Hucker · Oct 26, 2004

Brian HCM#1 said:
Thats VV, we have dirt in CA.

ya, but you stay away from that stuff

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 26, 2004

ViolentVolante said:
ya, but you stay away from that stuff

Thats cause you were behind me at N* eating my dust

or brake dust, its one or the other :think:

Curb Hucker · Oct 26, 2004

Brian HCM#1 said:
Thats cause you were behind me at N* eating my dust or brake dust, its one or the other

i had to stay at least a mile behind you or else id get blinded because you jab your rear brake so often. I landed that double ledge drop thing on dogbone(i think it was dogbone) on one foot and with 1 hand because i couldnt see that it was a drop because of your dust :nuts: , but we shall have even more fun next June opening weekend :thumb:

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