this surely won't end badly.
rapid modeling of firearms
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this logic... 
"Wilson acknowledged in the interview with Forbes that his creation could be used by criminals, but suggested that demonstrating the freedom to create them is more important than trying to stop that from happening."
"Wilson acknowledged in the interview with Forbes that his creation could be used by criminals, but suggested that demonstrating the freedom to create them is more important than trying to stop that from happening."
How many schools have metal detectors and not the airport style of "I see naked people" scanners?
mine did.
Thats it.
Im not having kids.
Im not having kids.
Why?
One of them could change the world by creating the first 3D printed bullet proof vest.
The only thing that can stop it is a good guy with a 3D printed gun.
This is nothing more than a hi tech way to make a zip gun, which people have been doing forever.
Anyone (including criminals, teh crazies, etc.) could spend a little time refining a simple zip gun design to make it from non-metallic components and have the same net result.
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Anyone (including criminals, teh crazies, etc.) could spend a little time refining a simple zip gun design to make it from non-metallic components and have the same net result.
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But more importantly as per jonkranked's quote, it's a greater expression of freedom.
Where the term expression of freedom is anything that is the intellectual equivalent of beating your self in the face with a baseball bat while singing out of tune journey songs.
What does the NRA have to say about this? No money in it for them or their corporate masters...
I don't see it as a drastic change, I could crank out a usable zip gun with a drill press in a couple hours.
Its not about this one example of a ****ty home made gun.
This stands for what will be possible in the future with 3d printers in the homes of millions, printing out fully automatic weapons with high capacity mags.
This is a big thing and if the goverment doesnt find a way to control it, it could mean a whole world of trouble for everyone...
This stands for what will be possible in the future with 3d printers in the homes of millions, printing out fully automatic weapons with high capacity mags.
This is a big thing and if the goverment doesnt find a way to control it, it could mean a whole world of trouble for everyone...
I'll start worrying when I see a 3d printer actually capable of producing a real barrel and receiver.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment I suspect that this will be neigh on impossible to enforce in any practical way, short of banning 3D printers and the internet, which ain't going to happen.
Usable AR lowers are allready being printed.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/download-this-gun-3d-printed-semi-automatic-fires-over-600-rounds/
Just a matter of time before they can print barrels imo.
Exactly why people are worried about this.
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Do you mean paranoid gun nuts, or paranoid government conspiracy nuts? Can't really tell from your post...
must spread rep.
what gets me the most about this, is that it pretty my bypasses all regulations in place surrounding the manufacturing & distributions of firearms. and people are up in arms about it saying that they should be "free to make whatever they want". but those same people wouldn't have a thing to say about someone getting busted by the feds for say, manufacturing unregulated pharmaceuticals in their garage.
ah, i love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the morning.
ah, i love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the morning.
a bit of backstory - most, if not all, manufacturers of 3d printers are against this form of usage. the guy in the link i posted actually had numerous companies refuse to sell them the equipment (3d printers) once he told them the intended use. the company that did finally sell them one did so under the condition that they remain anonymous.
also, the kind of person that would 3d print an automatic weapon with a 10" di... i mean, high capacity clip, isn't the kind of person who has enough of that thar book larnin' to operate a 3d printer. It's not as simple as "ctrl+P"
I'm sure the music and movie companies felt the same way about the internet in 1988.....
Im not talking about either.
Im talking about the general public that is anti gun.
Not yet maybe, but these are the very first models of a revolutionairy product.
It will get a lot easier and no doubt someday it will be as easy as ctrl+P.
Plus people will start printing and selling these babies to semi retards too...
It might be hard to obtain a 3d printer now, but what will happen in 10 years?
I remember it was a big deal to write your own cds at home and look what happend there.
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i agree with your point to a certain degree... but bear in mind that 3d printing isn't new technology. 3d printers with the kind of precision tolerance needed to make something like a firearm are no cheaper now than they were a decade ago (if anything they're more expensive). the "inexpensive" ones you see now (makerbot, etc) are cheap, because they are cheap. the tolerances on them are orders of magnitude off what big industrial ones are.
edit - my biggest concern is one that you pointed out - people smart enough to run them, then sell them to morans. but then they'd need to be a licensed firearms manufacturer.
Super cheap, relatively easily produced fully automatic weapon that could be made by someone in their home?
Yeah, thank god that's never existed before....
edit: And if that's not quite clear enough on how to build it, click here (although you might end up on a government watch list...
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Yeah, thank god that's never existed before....
edit: And if that's not quite clear enough on how to build it, click here (although you might end up on a government watch list...
).
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at one of my previous jobs, i worked with a guy (old timer) who was big into making his own guns. then again, he was making them ye olde fashioned way, and he was making muzzle loaders.
But 3d printing is new to home use, and the printer that printed that lower AR 15 receiver costs no more then 8000 usd.
From teh wiki;
I just dont trust people enough for this kind of technology in a domestic situation.
8000 USD printer for a single component. the printer used (in the link i posted) to make the complete gun (sans firing pin) was north of $20,000 USD. The printers with the tolerances and tooling to make functional mechanical devices out of material that has reasonable strength to be used for something like a gun is still cost prohibitive.
Really? You already *can* make a fully-automatic weapon using normal household tools. A few crazy people are already doing it, and everyone else just shrugs and moves on. And it costs FAR less than the $8k for a printer and $3.5k+ (?) for the material.
And all for what, a brittle (note broken trigger in the photograph) "gun" that hasn't been tested and could go BOOM when you're testing it at the range? Big deal.
I dont think you can compare this to the ease of a (future) 3d printer.Super cheap, relatively easily produced fully automatic weapon that could be made by someone in their home?
Yeah, thank god that's never existed before....
edit: And if that's not quite clear enough on how to build it, click here (although you might end up on a government watch list...
Not everyone has a small workshop at home and even less people would have the skill to actually use the tools needed to produce a gun that doesnt blow up in their hands.
I really think the threshold is significantly lower if you can just hit "enter"...
Have you ever handled anything thats been 3d printed? Sh*ts fragile. The guns these guys are making are dispsosable.
You do realize that a 3d printer isn't the same as a CNC mill right?
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But it really isn't that simple. CNC mills have been around a long ass time, and they haven't gotten that simple.
Maybe it's because I live in Detroit/Flint area where there was at one time a million and a half tool and die shops and automotive suppliers/fabricration shops, etc. But I can probably name off at least 10 guys I know who have lathe's, plasma cutters, drill presses, CNC Plasma cutting tables, bridgeports, welders (mig/tig), etc. There are a lot of guys that I know who could easily build their own guns if they wanted to, and probably wouldn't need to purchase very many additional tools to do so.
Hehe I realise that, and I know CNC mills are anything but simple to program and operate.
I just think 3d printers will be cheaper and easier to operate and therefore more accessable for producing fire arms. Even if they are disposable.
Im not an expert on this subject by any means, Im just judging from what Ive seen in other technological progress.
Time will tell I guess.
I just think 3d printers will be cheaper and easier to operate and therefore more accessable for producing fire arms. Even if they are disposable.
Im not an expert on this subject by any means, Im just judging from what Ive seen in other technological progress.
Time will tell I guess.
A friend of mine from college works at makerbot. They can only be simplified so much. Its not like there will ever be an i3Dprinter.
And the software to run them and design for them isn't cheap. They really are toys for nerds, and inexpensive prototyping equipment for small companies.
And the software to run them and design for them isn't cheap. They really are toys for nerds, and inexpensive prototyping equipment for small companies.