[MikeD]

Ok, lacing a front wheel and the disc side flange is larger than the drive. 32h, planned on 3x. Drive side laced fine 3x but on the disc side, the trailing spokes actually will cross the head of preceding spoke like so

If I just do 2x, it seems to work ok angle-wise and length looks OK...

These are not gigantor weird hubs...58mm on the large side. Is this normal? I don't put a lacing error to be beyond me, but I doubt checked and it all matches Harris Cylery's instructions best I can tell.

Anyone have any idea what gives? Is this normal on larger hub flanges? Is it actually OK to use with the spoke crossing the other's head?? I would assume 3x is better on the disc side than 2x and would prefer to use 3...

Thx

 

[Westy]

Haven't seen that before but if I put my nerd hat on I would say that the closer to tangential the spoke is to the hub the less spoke tension there would be while under torque, so given the 2x and 3x options I would go with your 3x build.

That being said your leading spokes and trailing spokes should be at the same angles, which they are not in the picture, which makes sense if you have all the leading spokes installed and only one or two of the trailing spokes. If your lacing is correct good chance things will sort itself out once you have all the spokes installed and start to get things tensioned up as the clocking of the hub to the rim will rotate balancing out your leading/trailing spoke angles.

 

[two-one]

Haha, I sometimes get into these situations when I'm lacing wheels with a little too much lubricant of the Belgian-blonde variety...

Your leading spoke is clearly leaving the flange at a much higher angle than your trailing spoke, even though they should be the same.

It usually means a spoke pattern f*ck=up. My advise is to remove all spokes, and restart the next morning with a clear head ;-)

 

[jonKranked]

what order did you lace them? i usually start with all the leading spokes, that way i can ensure i get the key spoke right, then proceed with the trailing spokes.

 

[jonKranked]

Haha, I sometimes get into these situations when I'm lacing wheels with a little too much lubricant of the Belgian-blonde variety...

Your leading spoke is clearly leaving the flange at a much higher angle than your trailing spoke, even though they should be the same.
View attachment 175329

It usually means a spoke pattern f*ck=up. My advise is to remove all spokes, and restart the next morning with a clear head ;-)

haha, the other week when i was lacing my new DH wheels, i made a a few oopsys from teh beers. first i got my key spoke wrong - well, i thought i did. i had the hub rotated the wrong way, twisted it the other way and everything was right. then i had the first set of trailing spokes off by one hole. then i discovered a spare spoke after the second set of trailing spokes, apparently i had grabbed an incorrect length spoke from the other wheel (i lay my spokes out for prep and so they are organized when lacing). but thankfully i found the incorrect length spoke very quickly.

 

[Jm_]

Haha, I sometimes get into these situations when I'm lacing wheels with a little too much lubricant of the Belgian-blonde variety...

Your leading spoke is clearly leaving the flange at a much higher angle than your trailing spoke, even though they should be the same.
View attachment 175329

It usually means a spoke pattern f*ck=up. My advise is to remove all spokes, and restart the next morning with a clear head ;-)

Yeah, was going to say that’s a 4x attempt.

 

[jonKranked]

@MikeD the spoke in blue looks correct. since you are lacing 32h 3x there should be 3 spoke holes between each leading/trailing spoke per side.

 

[OGRipper]

Yeah, try it nao... You should be able to get a better angle for 3X. 2X would probably be fine but you'd usually need shorter spokes. Something isn't right.

 

[kidwoo]

LOL, you done fucked that up good!

for a 32h: you're doing it wrong

 

[MikeD]

@MikeD the spoke in blue looks correct. since you are lacing 32h 3x there should be 3 spoke holes between each leading/trailing spoke per side.

View attachment 175335

Blue spoke is laced crossing two others. Wacky-angle spoke is laced crossing three. I obviously forked this all up. Don't lace angry, people. Even when stone sober.

My guess is the leading spokes on the drive side are wrong, but I'll pull back and see.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Blue spoke is laced crossing two others. Wacky-angle spoke is laced crossing three. I obviously forked this all up. Don't lace angry, people. Even when stone sober.

My guess is the leading spokes on the drive side are wrong, but I'll pull back and see.

You spoke too soon?

 

[kidwoo]

You spoke too soon?

see @rideit ^^this is how it's done!^^

 

[rideit]

see @rideit ^^this is how it's done!^^

Truer words have never been spoken by Woo.
I predict this thread will go round and round.

 

[StiHacka]

see @rideit ^^this is how it's done!^^

That angle truly hasn't crossed his mind.

 

[kidwoo]

That angle truly hasn't crossed his mind.

pay attention @rideit

These bitches writing the manual right now!

 

[OGRipper]

You guys can really dish it out!

 

[jstuhlman]

i sense a lot of tension in this thread.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Let's quit torqueing about it. It's true that we're just nipple and diming.

 

[kidwoo]

Let's quit torqueing about it. It's true that we're just nipple and diming.

bzzzzzzt

penalized one rideit™ for trying too hard



yes, I am the referee

I have the shirt

 

[jstuhlman]

bzzzzzzt

penalized one rideit™ for trying to hard



yes, I am the referee

I have the shirt

you can also penalize him with a nipple image for using "true" since that rideit fellow already did.

 

[DaveW]

bzzzzzzt

penalized one rideit™ for trying to hard



yes, I am the referee

I have the shirt

A lace shirt?

 

[Westy]

A lace shirt?

MikeD is more of a Satin guy than lace. Which explains this screw up.

 

[MikeD]

You're all waiting to gauge my response, aren't you?

 

[MikeD]

You guys can really dish it out!

true-ly.

 

[jonKranked]

i feel like i am trailing behind in this discussion

 

[DaveW]

i feel like i am trailing behind in this discussion

I am the same, but it is quite true the tension is building up nicely.

 

[two-one]

I learned from Roger Mussons e-book in 2008, and still use my wooden DIY wheelstand to this day.
There have been evenings when I was lacing some weird patterns (8:16 on a 32h hub) where I got so confused at times, I just stared at the pattern for hours until I could solve it. Not advised for people with ADD, or people on acid.
IPA's work fine though, just stay away from DIPA's.

 

[two-one]

Okay, I'll try to be helpful...
People keep looking at spoke crossing patterns by actually counting the numbers of spokes they cross... this can be extremely misleading when you made a mistake somewhere.
Try to see the spoke-crossing-number (X3, X2) more as an 'offset from radial'.
So when lacing X3, a spoke should step aside from its radial position in the hub 3 holes.

 

[rideit]

I love it when Woo gets cross with me.

 

[DaveW]

Did you double cross him?

 

[rideit]

That has no bearing on the situation.

 

[jstuhlman]

Okay, I'll try to be helpful...
People keep looking at spoke crossing patterns by actually counting the numbers of spokes they cross... this can be extremely misleading when you made a mistake somewhere.
Try to see the spoke-crossing-number (X3, X2) more as an 'offset from radial'.
So when lacing X3, a spoke should step aside from its radial position in the hub 3 holes.
View attachment 175349

 

[MikeD]

I really thought this rim job would be more relaxing.

 

[DaveW]

Perhaps if you put a bit more effort into greasing your nipples 1st?

 

[MikeD]

My Auntie Seize used to warn me about that all the time.

 

[Westy]

Nothing like twisting your nipples until you get to insert a shaft into your hub.

 

[DaveW]

My Auntie Seize used to warn me about that all the time.

She spoke the truth.

 

[rideit]

Look at you, always butting in.

 

[jstuhlman]

if you keep at it, it'll be a straight pull until you're done!

 

[rideit]

Then I’ll be fit to be tied and soldered.