Suspension Thoughts For AM-Enduro Bike?

Electric_City · Jun 14, 2020

Since you have the fork body, why not call Avy or someone who tunes. I know Craig has a hybrid conversion that should work for you.

englertracing · Jun 14, 2020

Nitriding and dlc are for steel
And they are very thin and would not cover any surface irregularities.

Carraig042 · Jun 14, 2020

I have thoroughly enjoyed my Helm original. It has had a couple small hiccups, but those should be rectified on the mk2. It is much more supple but supportive than my 2018 Lyric was.

Electric_City · Jun 14, 2020

ianjenn said:
Does he do Nitride Coating on stanchions? They have some scratches on them. Though they hold air.....looks expensive as hell for an MX bike. If I extend the rear travel with the rocker I was going to up the front travel by 10mm as well the keep the angles close to stock. Maybe he can do that though.....

That I don't know. Call him and see what he says.

buckoW · Jun 14, 2020

ianjenn said:
Does he do Nitride Coating on stanchions? They have some scratches on them. Though they hold air.....looks expensive as hell for an MX bike. If I extend the rear travel with the rocker I was going to up the front travel by 10mm as well the keep the angles close to stock. Maybe he can do that though.....

What about getting a new CSU with the 44mm offset you want and an air spring with 10mm more travel? You could also have a look at the shimstack and try tuning it before changing brands. Cartridges are very easy to work on and bleed.
I don’t know what fork you have but some OEM tunes are just 3 compression shims all the same size. I would have a look before giving up on it. Unless it’s a 34 then forget what I said.

EVIL JN · Jun 16, 2020

Have you tried nailpolish on the stanchion? I got some burrs on my boxxer and it felt alot better and smoother afterwards. Just apply a tin coat, let it dry and then buff it out carefully.

HardtailHack · Jun 16, 2020

englertracing said:
Nitriding and dlc are for steel
And they are very thin and would not cover any surface irregularities.

No, you can get DLC done on fork stanchions, I think someone I contacted said that they removed imperfections then apply the DLC.

EDIT
From an email-
"We have sent a few Mountain bike forks across for treatment and they will

Do the prep work before they coat ..

Not sure on pricing but if you could send us some dimensions of the parts

I can find out a price for you .."

englertracing · Jun 16, 2020

HardtailHack said:
No, you can get DLC done on fork stanchions, I think someone I contacted said that they removed imperfections then apply the DLC.

EDIT
From an email-
"We have sent a few Mountain bike forks across for treatment and they will

Do the prep work before they coat ..

Not sure on pricing but if you could send us some dimensions of the parts

I can find out a price for you .."

Dlc is usually only 2um thick.
For metrics 0.002mm
For us 0.00008
Yeah thats four zeroes....

Precisely what surface irregularities will you be filling?

Finish in = finish out.

What are you going to use to "prep" the fork? And fill any scratches?

And although yes dlc will adhere to an anodized aluminum component, it's a really bad idea to put an extremely hard, thin, and brittle coating on something soft and flexible. The result will actually be small diamond like particles in the outer fork oil.

Call "carbon raptor dlc" and ask them about it they do alot of motorsports dlc.

Jm_ · Jun 16, 2020

EVIL JN said:
Have you tried nailpolish on the stanchion? I got some burrs on my boxxer and it felt alot better and smoother afterwards. Just apply a tin coat, let it dry and then buff it out carefully.

Yeah, nailpolish usually lasts about 1 ride IME. Epoxy if you want it to actually stay there (after cleaning it).

HardtailHack · Jun 16, 2020

englertracing said:
Dlc is usually only 2um thick.
For metrics 0.002mm
For us 0.00008
Yeah thats four zeroes....

Precisely what surface irregularities will you be filling?

Finish in = finish out.

What are you going to use to "prep" the fork? And fill any scratches?

And although yes dlc will adhere to an anodized aluminum component, it's a really bad idea to put an extremely hard, thin, and brittle coating on something soft and flexible. The result will actually be small diamond like particles in the outer fork oil.

Call "carbon raptor dlc" and ask them about it they do alot of motorsports dlc.

I'd be using hopes and prayers.
I was looking at sending a new fork but I realized that DLC can't help the cheap Grip damper so I changed fork instead of wasting more money.

So why does DLC work well on drill bits? I know they aren't aluminium but they twist under load. If something is microns thick it should be able to bend, as long as the bond strength is good, shouldn't it?

buckoW · Jun 16, 2020

ianjenn said:
Didnt know I could get the crown/steer combo. Wow $485 for that. The fork is below. I was thinking selling it for $250 or so and throw that at another fork. That $500 to fix the small scratches already have me 3/4 of the way to a new fork. Looks like new internal are $250-$350 depending on who I go through. I could just do the internal and keep running it with the line on the stanchion.....

FOX FLOAT Rhythm 36, GRIP Damper, 44mm offset, 2-position sweep adjust, 15x110mm, tapered alloy steerer, 150mm of travel

Yeah, a new fork looks like a better option.

maxyedor · Jun 16, 2020

ianjenn said:
Didnt know I could get the crown/steer combo. Wow $485 for that. The fork is below. I was thinking selling it for $250 or so and throw that at another fork. That $500 to fix the small scratches already have me 3/4 of the way to a new fork. Looks like new internal are $250-$350 depending on who I go through. I could just do the internal and keep running it with the line on the stanchion.....

FOX FLOAT Rhythm 36, GRIP Damper, 44mm offset, 2-position sweep adjust, 15x110mm, tapered alloy steerer, 150mm of travel

This is the problem I have always run into when talking about modifying/updating suspension. Unless you're at a point where you need a professional tuner to work through your damper, it usually just ends up being more complicated way of spending the same, or potentially more money in order to achieve the same exact result.

I am continually more and more impressed with my V1 Helm. It's not perfect, the compression adjuster can move around while you're riding, and it should have a 20mm bolt-on axle because 20mm is bigger than 15mm and QR is never as good as bolt-on even if their QR system is the best out there IMHO, but those are really my only complaints. As for what it does well, smash through shit like mad, and it has much more traction while climbing stupid things than any of my previous forks due to, I believe, it's excellent LSC damping and it's suppleness reminds my of old school open-bath Marzocchi forks. It likes going fast, really likes going fast through chunky stuff, it's the first fork I've owned that I really think works coorrectly right from the factory, and it definitely outclases my DPX2 on the beck end. The V2 should be a bit better, even if they did kill the cool gunmetal grey color and ruin the graphics.

I have zero time on the DVO, or any DVO product, hoping to get a rip on a friend's DVO equipped Ripmo AF soon, so I can't draw a comparison of any sort yet.

HardtailHack · Jun 17, 2020

Does anyone know if you can run the 20mm bolt up lower on the DVO on the Onyx SC?

troy · Jun 17, 2020

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englertracing · Jun 17, 2020

ianjenn said:
Okay, maybe I will talk the Cane Creek guys about a fork and see. At some point, I wouldn't mind modding a fork. I would just prefer it has an actual 20mm axle. Maybe we will go back that way in next years standard flip.....

THANKS

so buy the newest fox 36 with a 20mm axle
the fox rc2 cartridge is my personal favorite
you can do a lot of things with the spring side.........
push and vorsprung coil conversions. if you can scavenge parts a stock coil conversion
for air you could do vorsprung luftkape, or Mrp fulfill.

oopppps forgot your 29
never mind.....

HAB · Jun 17, 2020

englertracing said:
oopppps forgot your 29
never mind.....

They did those in a 20mm axle too. So yeah, what you said.

canadmos · Jun 17, 2020

HardtailHack said:
Does anyone know if you can run the 20mm bolt up lower on the DVO on the Onyx SC?

The lowers look longer on the DC Onyx. But you can email them and ask, they'll straight up tell you. They're pretty good with actually responding to requests.

buckoW · Jun 18, 2020

HAB said:
They did those in a 20mm axle too. So yeah, what you said.

yeah! what both of you said.

4xBoy · Jun 18, 2020

How much travel do you need?

mykel · Jun 18, 2020

4xBoy said:
How much travel do you need?

All of it.

4xBoy · Jun 19, 2020

I have a helm works, only 130mm, but I really like it.

Interesting that they don't have it anymore, now worried maybe the crown isn't so solid.

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