How much HGH does it take for a 200lber to win a stage with 3 hc climbs!
Ole Slope took it, and it was rad....
Ole Slope took it, and it was rad....
None, if you don't have to pull throughout the entire break.SuspectDevice said:How much HGH does it take for a 200lber to win a stage with 3 hc climbs!
Ole Slope took it, and it was rad....
Then convince some Spaniard that you'll work together to stay away but then forget to take a pull. Not exactly a classy victory. I'd be a little skeered riding through a bunch of drunk and disorderly Spanish fans tomorrow.reflux said:None, if you don't have to pull throughout the entire break.
What? When did he "convince" Pereiro to work together? It wasn't like it was a big mystery what Sevilla and Hincapie were doing in the break and that they hadn't taken a single meaningful pull the whole day.Westy said:Then convince some Spaniard that you'll work together to stay away but then forget to take a pull. Not exactly a classy victory. I'd be a little skeered riding through a bunch of drunk and disorderly Spanish fans tomorrow.
Don't get me wrong, I think George played the stage perfectly according to the rules of road racing. I was referring to the original poster, who sarcastically claimed that George was on something in order to have won that race. BS, he was simply fresher than everybody else, most importantly Pereiro. It was bad form, but also human nature, of Pereiro to be angry at George (but I'm guessing he wouldn't have thought twice about doing the same if the roles were reversed).DRB said:lots of words
Pereiro attacked George, George matched. George asked Pereiro to work with him so they could stay ahead. George did not really work after that, of course this is according to Pereiro. Nothing wrong with what George did, just not very classy.DRB said:What? When did he "convince" Pereiro to work together? It wasn't like it was a big mystery what Sevilla and Hincapie were doing in the break and that they hadn't taken a single meaningful pull the whole day.
Pereiro was the one that attacked George on the final climb and couldn't make it stick. And now he is whining because George was stronger than he was and tactically he f'ed up. The fact of the matter is that George could have dumped him easily anytime after Pereiro's initial attack at 5km to go. Also Pereiro could have stopped working at anytime, they had plenty of gap on everyone else to screw around in the last 1km, if he so wanted BUT he kept dragging Hincapie along. Pereiro was screwed no matter how this played out. Short of some idiotic "sporting" gesture (which would have furthered the completely unfounded "George is too nice to win anything" attitude many folks have) Pereiro wasn't going to win that stage.
First of all, HGH does not make anyone faster. All HGH does is help you recover quickly from grueling work outs. George is not 200 pounds. He's in the 170-175 pound range and he is 6'3" tall.SuspectDevice said:How much HGH does it take for a 200lber to win a stage with 3 hc climbs!
Ole Slope took it, and it was rad....
George also said he was a little scared to pass with all the crazy fans.Westy said:Pereiro attacked George, George matched. George asked Pereiro to work with him so they could stay ahead. George did not really work after that, of course this is according to Pereiro. Nothing wrong with what George did, just not very classy.
That's not what Pereiro says (from cyclingnews) .....Westy said:Pereiro attacked George, George matched. George asked Pereiro to work with him so they could stay ahead. George did not really work after that, of course this is according to Pereiro. Nothing wrong with what George did, just not very classy.
That doesn't indicate that George asked him OR even told him he would work with him."I asked him [Hincapie] to work, as we had to collaborate to battle it out in a sprint - but he didn't.
Velonews has Pereiro quoted that GH asked him to work together. Maybe Pereiro is just bitter and can't get his story straight, or maybo Velonews doesn't know when to properly close out quotation marks.DRB said:That's not what Pereiro says (from cyclingnews) ..... That doesn't indicate that George asked him OR even told him he would work with him.
George didn't need Pereiro to stay away from anyone at that point. If anything if George had attacked him earlier that would have snapped Pereiro's line and he certainly would have gone backwards quick, probably getting passed by Caucchioli and Boogerd.
Again if George had pulled thru and lost, he would be getting eviscerated by the press for his lack of a killer instinct, which gets hung on George far too often.
At least he didn't fall all over himself thanking Lance.....
mattv2099 said:He has the yellow jersey on his team and has no obligation to work to make the break succeed.
Ah I see where you are talking about......Westy said:Velonews has Pereiro quoted that GH asked him to work together. Maybe Pereiro is just bitter and can't get his story straight, or maybo Velonews doesn't know when to properly close out quotation marks.
Troutwig = toolboxWesty said:When French TV was showing the attacks in the breakaway instead of showing LA, Basso and Ulrich ride together, Al Troutwig angrily proclaimed that "this has nothing to do with the Tour De France". So really big Georges win isn't even worth discussing.
http://www.velonews.com/tour2005/news/articles/8544.0.html"The Tour is becoming bigger and bigger, and things are getting a little bit out of control a few times," said Bruyneel, referring to an incident in Sunday's stage in which a television cameraman's motorcycle collided with a fan. Bruyneel said that the crowds were not only becoming dangerous, but were affecting race development as well.
In Sunday's final climb, Hincapie and Phonak's Oscar Periero were parting the crowds as they approached the finish line. "George was kind of surprised," said Bruyneel. "He felt really good and he was thinking about trying to attack on Pereiro, [but] he didn't find one place he could try to pass because there were so many people."
Sherwin and Ligget do such a good job I don't know why they even bother with Troutwig. Those two brits seem to be able to identify any rider in the field seemingly by their riding position, impressive.DRB said:Troutwig = toolbox
I agree that they do a fantastic job at identifying most riders immediately, but they certainly do make a few mistakes. Especially Phil getting his words mixed up. Who could forget the classic line during the first descent into the Pyrenees, where Phil said, "they're now travelling at a speed that could get them a parking fine"?Westy said:Sherwin and Ligget do such a good job I don't know why they even bother with Troutwig. Those two brits seem to be able to identify any rider in the field seemingly by their riding position, impressive.
Hahaha, you've got a modified Burger King logo for your avatar, and your sig spruiks "training systems".indieboy said:get your fat ass in shape the right way; fast times training systems!!!
Brown-Troutwig is there to offer a perspective that noobs can identify with...Westy said:Sherwin and Ligget do such a good job I don't know why they even bother with Troutwig. Those two brits seem to be able to identify any rider in the field seemingly by their riding position, impressive.
When was it that Chechu was leading away and Phil can't remember who it is and just says "Ah it doesn't matter anyway...."mattover said:I agree that they do a fantastic job at identifying most riders immediately, but they certainly do make a few mistakes. Especially Phil getting his words mixed up. Who could forget the classic line during the first descent into the Pyrenees, where Phil said, "they're now travelling at a speed that could get them a parking fine"?
And a couple of stages earlier, they were looking for the Australian rider that was sitting around 15th... He was clearly in shot four or five times while they were discussing if they could find him. I could identify him from my lounge room and I don't have the six simultaneous camera feeds to help me see what's going on.
"Oh, is Cadel Evans in the middle of that pack? I can't see him in there; possibly he got left behind on that last break... Oh, that could be him in the middle... Or is that him back at the head of the peleton?"
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I beleive he also refered to the Basque fans as "Spanish"Westy said:When French TV was showing the attacks in the breakaway instead of showing LA, Basso and Ulrich ride together, Al Troutwig angrily proclaimed that "this has nothing to do with the Tour De France". So really big Georges win isn't even worth discussing.
Very true. Being in back when the leader is doing 6-10 mph just isn't getting you much. Piero is just a baby, he knew he couldn't beat George straight up.Wumpus said:George also said he was a little scared to pass with all the crazy fans.
Also, there is no real advantage to sitting on somebody's wheel while climbing. There might be a perceived advantage in that all you have to do is concentrate on following the wheel in front of you but you still have to climb the hill.
Ouch!, they'll punish him for that.PonySoldier said:I beleive he also refered to the Basque fans as "Spanish"
In the last kilometer, anything goes. And I would take Hincapie in a sprint over any climber, so it was wise for Pereiro to try to drop him in the last climb, not make agreements.With 4km remaining, Hincapie and Pereiro exchanged some words of agreement to work to stay away, but the plan seemed to change in the final kilometer as the American declined to take any pulls. When Hincapie punched the accelerator in the final 300 meters, Pereiro couldn't respond.
These guys are climbing faster than that, typically 12-16 mph. Think of this way, most of these guys are using 23 tooth cogs even on the gnarliest stages, and a 39/23 at 90rpm is 12 mph. Even a 39/25 is 11 mph. Yes, these guys are superhuman.Reactor said:Very true. Being in back when the leader is doing 6-10 mph just isn't getting you much. Piero is just a baby, he knew he couldn't beat George straight up.
From cyclingnews...Westy said:Velonews has Pereiro quoted that GH asked him to work together. Maybe Pereiro is just bitter and can't get his story straight, or maybo Velonews doesn't know when to properly close out quotation marks.
The stage winner, meanwhile, said that his lack of participation was due to the narrow path the frenzied crowd left the struggling riders. "I told Pereiro we needed to work together to go away, but you couldn't even go past him there was so many people, there was no room to go. So I just stayed behind him
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In the end, it seems as though Pereiro was the victim of strategic advantage, intelligent calculation and unfavourable conditions. Unfortunately for him, these 'road chess' parameters are as much part of bicycle racing as the will to succeed and the strength of your legs - making one cheer, and the other sad.
mattover said:Hahaha, you've got a modified Burger King logo for your avatar, and your sig spruiks "training systems".
I'm no nutritionist, but it seems there's a bit of a conflict there.
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I remember last year on one of the gnarliest climbs, Armstrong was spinning 90-100 rpm in his 53/23 combo. I went out on the flats and spun in that combo at those cadences and I was going 18-20 mph... Unreal.sanjuro said:These guys are climbing faster than that, typically 12-16 mph. Think of this way, most of these guys are using 23 tooth cogs even on the gnarliest stages, and a 39/23 at 90rpm is 12 mph. Even a 39/25 is 11 mph. Yes, these guys are superhuman.
Westy said:Then convince some Spaniard that you'll work together to stay away but then forget to take a pull. Not exactly a classy victory. I'd be a little skeered riding through a bunch of drunk and disorderly Spanish fans tomorrow.
and look at you now, 3 years later and your still bumming cash off of your folksindieboy said:it was done as a joke against me. when i joined this site i was like 16 or 17 and they used to tell me to get a job at burger king.
SuspectDevice said:DOOD, I win troll of the month, for sure! 3 pages from like 9 words.
Wumpus said:Funny. Pereiro didn't do a lick of work in the last 5K today. They all just sat on Cadel's wheel until the final sprint. Hmmmmmm.
i don't get **** from my parents actuallyThe Toninator said:and look at you now, 3 years later and your still bumming cash off of your folks