Ahhhh the good old days.........7 Springs was always an eventful place to race.
Team Maxxis DH team to ride Ellsworth
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Thanks for posting
Ya, the one that they say just ain't as good as the old mono
Truer words have never been spoken!!!!!!!
Tony Ellsworth = marketing smart guy
Imaging if his bikes were as good as his ads say they were
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In an effort to embarress myself, I submit this photo of my first Dare frame. It lasted me a long time sine it was my "all mountain" frame and not DH. How about that Jacked up seat for XCing 
Regardless, they don't make the traight mono any more so a 2007 pro team couldn't rebadge them with the "Ellsworth" name now could they?
regardless, the old one is still better than the new one
can still be built to order you will just have to wait a bit. and yea, old mono, far better than 2:1
guess we'll have to wait and see. . . . i remember there being plenty of sceptics in 2003 when Iron Horse decided to field a world cup team when they were not a major player on the scene and had yet to produce a fully capable, high-end race bike.
they did okay
they did okay
Only they ran a team for years on the spectacular failure lovingly known as the sam greenman special.
Their team riders rode on foes, intenses, chumbas, profiles etc before they got their rig right. Whn they got it right, it turned out to be by licensing a design fantastic 3rd party designer. Best decision they ever made, and it is now paying off for them in a big way.
I don't see elsworth 1) having a great bike their first few years and 2) hiring a great 3rd party engineer if they stick with it. My assumption is that it's probably a 1 or 2 year deal to remind us they still exist.
Their team riders rode on foes, intenses, chumbas, profiles etc before they got their rig right. Whn they got it right, it turned out to be by licensing a design fantastic 3rd party designer. Best decision they ever made, and it is now paying off for them in a big way.
I don't see elsworth 1) having a great bike their first few years and 2) hiring a great 3rd party engineer if they stick with it. My assumption is that it's probably a 1 or 2 year deal to remind us they still exist.
yeah. . . i'm not so optimistic either. i'll be surprised if they ride legitimate "Ellsworths" for the entire season.
a friend of mine worked for ellsworth the past few years and he was always tyrying to convince me to ride those bikes. apparently he said Tony was "real interested" in redesigning the DH models to be more competitive with modern designs. Not sure where that stands now as he gave me a call in august to say he had taken a job with intense and was psyched to be working for "a real bike company."
my only prediction is that the team bike can't possibley be worse than the Haro . . . or can it
a friend of mine worked for ellsworth the past few years and he was always tyrying to convince me to ride those bikes. apparently he said Tony was "real interested" in redesigning the DH models to be more competitive with modern designs. Not sure where that stands now as he gave me a call in august to say he had taken a job with intense and was psyched to be working for "a real bike company."
my only prediction is that the team bike can't possibley be worse than the Haro . . . or can it
Oh it can.
After wading thru all the crap some pertinate info.
What's so bad about the Haro? It does have stripes...........my only prediction is that the team bike can't possibley be worse than the Haro . . . or can it
how come i remeber that line being used before?my only prediction is that the team bike can't possibley be worse than the Haro . . . or can it
And that is relevant to this thread how? If that's your educated opinion based on riding both bikes that's fine, I'm just curious how it relates to Ellsworth sponsoring Maxxis?
those stripes were on the previous version frames which were made for haro by Intense... the new ones...... no comment
funny... i created this thread & i almost forgot that it was about the Maxxis / Ellsworth deal.... it's been hijacked so many times! lol
My favorite was definately the Shaums march seven springs hijack. So old school!
Wait, we're supposed to stay on topic????
It was in response to a hijack, if you can't follow the jack, stay off the whiskey
That is actually really funny! Your wit gets a
!
My guess is Ellsworth will go simple, guinea pig the Petespeed for hayes on a basic single pivot...and hopefully get around some of their engineering issues with lots of back-up frames.
If it works, Ellsworth will hit gold in 08 selling "Race proven" Petespeeds and stay in business another year regardless of customer service.
If it works, Ellsworth will hit gold in 08 selling "Race proven" Petespeeds and stay in business another year regardless of customer service.
Rennie won the world cup overall in 03 on a production SGS.......
Mr. Hill won the jr. downhill world championships in 03 on a production SGS......
scary
You haven't been around the bike scene very long, have you?
This is not the SGS I speak of.
This is (2000).
Or even better yet...the 1999 that came stock with a risse trixxxy. Seriously, try and do some research before you attempt to be a smart ass.
whats the deal with the petespeed? the b-one from 2004 looked sick.
And those SGS's weren't exactly production either. Anytime a drill and some extra aluminum is bolted on something stops being "production".
Holy gaudy bike batman! The excessive patriotism is hurting me eyes!
settle down i was just throwing it out there. but i don't believe there was anything bolted on in scotland 03.
i was purely speaking of the Hill era and in 03 they were not riding anything special. oh and by the way . . . waaaaaaaaaaYou haven't been around the bike scene very long, have you?
This is not the SGS I speak of.
This is (2000).
Or even better yet...the 1999 that came stock with a risse trixxxy. Seriously, try and do some research before you attempt to be a smart ass.
it was not '03 stock. What DW did to the stock '03 bikes to make them world cup level over the course of that season was made available to the public in 2004; the first year they released a "real" dh bike by modern standards.
at the time the team was announced, Iron Horse did not have a bike that reflected their racing ambitions (have a look at Fraser's pic), and had until that point fielded a small american team on rebadged intense and profile frames. Thank goodness ska todd, dw, and the rest of the folks at iron horse put their best foot forward from that day forth.
i'm not making predictions with ellsworth, but iron horse definitely showed what is possible.
haro on the other hand . . . .
that is supposed to be funny right
if you are serious please go back and finish your homework before making foolish comments
anyone who was around the race circuit when mick hanna rode that bike (or saw anyone else who had one) would understand what a pile of crap that bike was... so much so that when mic went to WC's in europe he told haro the airlines "lost" his bike and borrowed kovarik backup M3... and on two other occasions raced national rounds on something else because the haro had blown up again (raced a cove at idaho NCS).
but it look like brand X so they must be the same
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that is supposed to be funny right
if you are serious please go back and finish your homework before making foolish comments
anyone who was around the race circuit when mick hanna rode that bike (or saw anyone else who had one) would understand what a pile of crap that bike was... so much so that when mic went to WC's in europe he told haro the airlines "lost" his bike and borrowed kovarik backup M3... and on two other occasions raced national rounds on something else because the haro had blown up again (raced a cove at idaho NCS).
but it look like brand X so they must be the same
they couldn't even make it look good, much less work.
I could care less if Mic liked it or even rode it. I am making the comment, because people on this list like to worship bikes like orange and morewood, but knock bikes that basically are the same 15-year old design.
I will also not say that Haro is at the same caliber as many of the other bikes on the market. But it is about $2000 less than most of the other bikes on the market. Good job Haro for making DH accessable to those who may not have 5k to drop on a bike, or who have some hookup.
So explain to me, what specifically Mic Had problems with. And explain to me the difference between the Haro and the other bikes I mentioned. And do your research. I wouldn't want you to post something foolish.
I will also not say that Haro is at the same caliber as many of the other bikes on the market. But it is about $2000 less than most of the other bikes on the market. Good job Haro for making DH accessable to those who may not have 5k to drop on a bike, or who have some hookup.
So explain to me, what specifically Mic Had problems with. And explain to me the difference between the Haro and the other bikes I mentioned. And do your research. I wouldn't want you to post something foolish.
maybe i'm missing something but i think he already answered you... his post is implying the haro's are not reliable.
I don't know if you feel the same way but if some pro is avoiding the bike he's getting paid to ride like the plague, that might be a bike you would want to stay away from.
I don't know if you feel the same way but if some pro is avoiding the bike he's getting paid to ride like the plague, that might be a bike you would want to stay away from.
Mick specifically would break approx. 1 swing arm per 3 runs on a given course and if the course was rough (idaho 05) he would easily run through 2 in practice.
The geometry and shock ratio also were extremely lacking and if your doing your research again you will find that haro is not making that bike anymore.
So to recap against Morewood or Orange...they dont use quality construction in manufacturing or design, they arent produced anymore, they dont work even remotely similarly (due to completely different pivot location and shock ratios), and they are an extreme amount heavier (light weight is the biggest selling point to a single pivot bike) without any gain in reliability....did I leave anything out.
When did someone mention the gearbox bike being raced by maxxis?
or is that speculation?