It's not 6g per whole stem and usually people who go ti go ti wherever they can which can add up to over 100-200g savings if I remember right. On my stem it's ~30g differance. I know not much but still not 6Is 6 grams really worth extensive dental work? Check the manufacturers shear strength ratings first.
this.Is 6 grams really worth extensive dental work? Check the manufacturers shear strength ratings first.
yep, cause thats never happened with steel hardwareTrying to find the pic of JD Swangun in the bush with his handlebars in his hand detached from the bike from using Ti bolts. Whats that saying, a pic is worth a 1000 words.
these were allegedly hollow ti bolts.Trying to find the pic of JD Swangun in the bush with his handlebars in his hand detached from the bike from using Ti bolts. Whats that saying, a pic is worth a 1000 words.
Trying to find the pic of JD Swangun in the bush with his handlebars in his hand detached from the bike from using Ti bolts. Whats that saying, a pic is worth a 1000 words.
I think you should stop using your 888 using his logic. Ppl broke them at rampage so they are weak and probably you have no face alreadyyep, cause thats never happened with steel hardware
But what it has to do with Ti bolts? Maybe to prevent death we should start using 1kg stems? Because that's what you are saying - let's use the heaviest option possible because Ti bolts are bad. Have you tried it? How many people do you know that use ti bolts in their stem have had any problems with them. I mean non hollow ti bolts. Same goes for other nay sayers in this topic. Because I only see wild speculation.A bmxer in oregon died from his stem bolts shearing in October (apparently he was missing a bolt). He was a really good rider that overshot a big jump, with a helmet on. I know it's not exactly the same situation, but I don't think cutting corners in that area is the best idea. Why not find ti bolts for things like controls, pedal pins, seatpost clamps- things that don't really matter as much if they fail?
Not the same situation at all.A bmxer in oregon died from his stem bolts shearing in October (apparently he was missing a bolt). He was a really good rider that overshot a big jump, with a helmet on. I know it's not exactly the same situation,
wow dude...seriously...Big jumps = big consequences. If you're dumb enough to do that without all the bolts holding your bike together, then well, suck it up.
maybe the really good rider shouldnt have been riding without all his stem bolts....just sayinA bmxer in oregon died from his stem bolts shearing in October (apparently he was missing a bolt). He was a really good rider that overshot a big jump, with a helmet on.
I wouldn't put it past marzocchi...i dont think a company would be spec'in Ti bolts on their forks if it was a liability unless they want to run their company into the ground by lawsuits
Correct in all aspects. TI bolts should in my opinion, only be used by light weight riders, and at the most on all mountain rides. sure if you use ti in every possible bolt out there you will save some weight, but the cost of failure is so high. I use a Ti brake kit for my brake on my dj bike and thats mainly just because it was sitting around the shop for awhile without interest, no problems, but if it fails, im not going to be terribly injured. Correct torque is a necessity when it comes to ti bolts, lots of guys come into the shop with sheared ti bolts because they thought they felt loose and just destroyed them, when in reality its the additional flex attributed to the ti that they felt.Ti bolts made from crap ti, that are used by apes who overtighten things, will have serious problems.
for the rest of Ti bolts users who think and use the correct torque when tightening up bolts, wont have more problems then they had before.
use common sense
That argument is stupid. Pro a) broke one part therefore it's crap and it's going to kill us all. Using this argument we should not run ANY fork because I'm pretty sure I've seen all current race forks broken. Unless I see a trend you argument is invalid.http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223751&highlight=swanguen+stem
wouldn't youz guys say he is a "pretty good rider"... Also, I seem to remember him saying in post-race interviews that he wouldn't go back to ti bolts - not worth it.
I'm not saying his word is the end-all and be-all, but I agree with those that say the weight gain is not worth the additional risk.
Yeah, but who the fvck uses 1018 steel for stem bolts? IE e.13 used 12.8 grade bolts which IIRC have a yield strength north of 1 GPa. As in more than 6-4 Ti.Titanium Ti-6Al-4V Yield Strength: 800 MPa
7075 T6 Aluminum Yield Strength: 450 Mpa
Carbon Steel 1018 Yield Strength: 380 Mpa
Ti is badass. Hollow ti = retarded.
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whatever dude. maybe you missed the part where I send his experience isn't the be-all and end-all? or where I say the weight gains are negligible compared to the risk? others here have stated the trends (experience in shops), I was just adding a data point.That argument is stupid. Pro a) broke one part therefore it's crap and it's going to kill us all. Using this argument we should not run ANY fork because I'm pretty sure I've seen all current race forks broken. Unless I see a trend you argument is invalid.
Whoa - absolute rubbish. Compare apples to apples mate. Carbon 1018 is complete rubbish - nobody would use mild steel as a bolt on anything but a toy store bike.Titanium Ti-6Al-4V Yield Strength: 800 MPa
7075 T6 Aluminum Yield Strength: 450 Mpa
Carbon Steel 1018 Yield Strength: 380 Mpa
Ti is badass. Hollow ti = retarded.
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wow dude...seriously...
I still have no clue why this discussion is occuring...WHAT IS THE POINT? 6 grams going to help you destroy the sport class this season?
Simply a point that things breaking in that area can be bad and I don't see any reason to take risks in that area. Things don't have to be a tank to be reliable- see Thomson. I think everyone's assumption here is that ti bolts aren't as strong a similiar steel bolt. Are we wrong about that?But what it has to do with Ti bolts? .
I think it is similiar enough, it's a bike- dh can result in accidental giant hucks. Compromising your bike with blingy ti bolts in a critical spot is just stupid as leaving out a bolt IMO...Not the same situation at all.
Big jumps = big consequences. If you're dumb enough to do that without all the bolts holding your bike together, then well, suck it up..
How about a little compassion for a fellow rider?maybe the really good rider shouldnt have been riding without all his stem bolts....just sayin
while it is very unfortunate that he died, riding a bike with missing stem bolts is asking for trouble. as tough as it is to hear, that is stupid IMO.How about a little compassion for a fellow rider?