Someone tell me all you can about this frame. I am thinking about buying one from Go-Ride with the floater. Will the bike have bad brake jack with out it?
Is it worth the money?
Is it worth the money?
Did I read from one of your previous posts that you have a gemini? Assuming your gemini does not have a floater, the el cuervo will not brake very differently, it will squat (jack) slightly more. The el cuervo seems to be a very all around frame, there is nothing about it that really stands out in my opinion, (construction maybe) but it's the "all aroundness" that makes it appealing (to me anyway)priceseliger14 said:Someone tell me all you can about this frame. I am thinking about buying one from Go-Ride with the floater. Will the bike have bad brake jack with out it?
Is it worth the money?
kidwoo said:They're awesome bikes. They size a little small though, so take note of the measurements. A large cuervo has almost the exact same measurements as my medium turner.
And they brake absolutely nothing like a gemini. The gemini sits high while the cuervo stays balanced, maybe squatting a bit.
When the gemini has a floater and the el cuervo doesn't, of course they will brake differently.kidwoo said:They're awesome bikes. They size a little small though, so take note of the measurements. A large cuervo has almost the exact same measurements as my medium turner.
And they brake absolutely nothing like a gemini. The gemini sits high while the cuervo stays balanced, maybe squatting a bit.
Duh.WheelieMan said:When the gemini has a floater and the el cuervo doesn't, of course they will brake differently.
I did? We ride together?priceseliger14 said:So you saw my Gemini, its a large, what would a Cuervo be?
That's not my DH you're thinking of, is it? Because the shock was a kfukt at the time.kidwoo said:Duh.
I've ridden both bikes with and without.
Gemini DH with, Gemini regular without.
No 10 feet on a blown shock doesen't count. But you know my tendency to grab other people's bikes, parts etc. and try them/trade them out.ohio said:That's not my DH you're thinking of, is it? Because the shock was a kfukt at the time.
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We didn't ride together, but I saw you in Whistlerkidwoo said:I did? We ride together?
I said the El Cuervo will squat slightly more than the Gemini, and that's because the pivot is slightly more rearward on the El Cuervo, closer to the rear tire contact patch. The pivots are not in completely different locations, both are in-line with a 38-40 tooth ring, one a couple inches in front of the other.kidwoo said:Duh.
I've ridden both bikes with and without.
Gemini DH with, Gemini regular without.
Same cuervo with and without.
The floaters didn't make much of a difference on either bike from what I could tell on the trails we were riding.
Be more constructive and tell me WHY they brake similarly when their pivots are in completely different locations...............and why that it sounds like you haven't ridden the two.
EDIT:Or actually now that I think about it.........why did you say they would brake similarly at all then if it's so obvious via the floaters?
I think you and I are actually agreeing here.WheelieMan said:I said the El Cuervo will squat slightly more than the Gemini, and that's because the pivot is slightly more rearward on the El Cuervo, closer to the rear tire contact patch. The pivots are not in completely different locations, both are in-line with a 38-40 tooth ring, one a couple inches in front of the other.
I have ridden a non-dh gemini, and sure it squatted like all non-floater single-pivots. I'm curious why you think the gemini "stays high" in its travel without a floater. The floater on the Gemini DH doesn't look very effective anyway, the brake arm appears to be pointed directly at the pivot. I hate derailing threads... Resume
priceseliger14: Buy the Ventana without the floater, you can always get one later if it really bothers you.
Cool, i saw you in norway last summer, that is a sick rig. I was at the hajfeil(i cant spell it dh) not riding cause my shoulder was blown out. i was there with sondre(sonny)Trond said:I absolutely love my El Cuervo. It rides amazing, and as stated above; cornering is unreal. I came from a BigHit and the stiffness/turning abilites are on a different planet with the Cuervo. Craftmanship is top notch, I have not touched the bearings and there's no play anywhere (1 full year of riding). It pedals well, but not fantastic, I run an Avalanche with fairly little compression damping.
Paint, though, is not so good. It scratches easily and is under par from what is usually expected from Ventana.
Get one, you won't regret it.
Trond is a very skilled rider, and he goes superfast. Riding with this guy is a pure joy. Next race season will be sweet.Trond said:I absolutely love my El Cuervo. It rides amazing, and as stated above; cornering is unreal. I came from a BigHit and the stiffness/turning abilites are on a different planet with the Cuervo. Craftmanship is top notch, I have not touched the bearings and there's no play anywhere (1 full year of riding). It pedals well, but not fantastic, I run an Avalanche with fairly little compression damping.
Paint, though, is not so good. It scratches easily and is under par from what is usually expected from Ventana.
Get one, you won't regret it.