The one bike louder than an M1 or M3 :evil:BUCKET said:There is an easy solution to this problem.......Buy a FOES product! Problem solved.
The one bike louder than an M1 or M3 :evil:BUCKET said:There is an easy solution to this problem.......Buy a FOES product! Problem solved.
Yeah, but it is not loud for long.Inclag said:The one bike louder than an M1 or M3 :evil:
I see 3 different issues that have been brought up here, 1 is straightforward, 2 are not.ChrisKring said:Solution: use a 27.2mm post and a production seatpost shim. They are avalable in just about every size. Then the shim will have a tight fit in the top 4" and the post will clear the weld burn through that your having the problem with.
My VP Free has no issues with full seat post range of adjustment. My V10 mono frame even had nearly perfectly faced head tube and bottom brackets.
The QC checking method is a go/no-go pin. This would be a go pin at MMC (largest seatpost size tolerance). It's actually pretty simple. I design car parts and every car OEM would have me living in there plant if we were shipping in parts out of spec that didn't go together.
That's a really REALLY good idea.ChrisKring said:Solution: use a 27.2mm post and a production seatpost shim. They are avalable in just about every size. Then the shim will have a tight fit in the top 4" and the post will clear the weld burn through that your having the problem with.
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Uh, I have a law degree and even don't think I could maintain that position with a straight face. I guess you didn't bother to read the rest of my post either.sanjuro said:First thing, is the Uzzi does have an uninterrupted seat tube, as opposed to their old "seat mast" design. It doesn't say how far down you can stick your post, though...
The redundancy was ironical -- as is that deliberate misspelling. And, just for your reference, there are only three periods in an ellipse, with an additional period when you end a sentence with them. Moreover, unless your computer is way different than mine I didn't mention anything verbally. :nuts:trailhacker said:Using the quotation marks usually negates the need mention them verbally.....
That's one work around. I'm not usually of the "it cost XXXX dollars, it should be perfect" school, but I don't think I should have to use a quick fix like that on a frame this expensive. Plus, I already had a 31.6 post. Also, I don't think it's a burn through problem: looking down the tube you can see a hard line in the area where the post stops sinking, which leads me to believe they simply didn't ream far enough down. My guess is that they use a method like your go/no go pin, but the pin isn't 330mm long.ChrisKring said:Solution: use a 27.2mm post and a production seatpost shim. They are avalable in just about every size. Then the shim will have a tight fit in the top 4" and the post will clear the weld burn through that your having the problem with.
Yeah, except for that kink by the BB that prevents you (or me at least) from getting fully seatpost extension.ChrisKring said:My VP Free has no issues with full seat post range of adjustment.
Just for the record, the HT and BB shell on my bike were factory faced. That didn't stop me for doing it again myself though, nor would it with any manufacturer's bike. Unprepped bikes don't really bother me (road frames in the same quality/price range routinely come completely unfaced or chased, with paint all over the place). Nor does small alignment problems. Intense's QC might not be the best, but it certainly isn't the worst in the industry. I could tell you horror stories, like $7000 frames (Ti tandem with S&S couplers) that were off by inches. And don't get me started on Ellsworth (although I know that's whole 'nother ball of wax). My Uzzi is straight (I measured) and my M1 was perfect. That being said, the alignment issue discussed previously was unacceptable, but it got resolved didn't it?ChrisKring said:My V10 mono frame even had nearly perfectly faced head tube and bottom brackets.
Well, I have now. I see promises were made but not kept, but since you were so nice about it, good luck with your POS. Should have bought a [insert bike here].meatboot said:Uh, I have a law degree and even don't think I could maintain that position with a straight face. I guess you didn't bother to read the rest of my post either.
Touche' - but you and my old english teach can both kiss me arse!meatboot said:.....blah.......blah........ellipse.............blah.........
Sorry I hurt your feelings, but I wasn't trying to be mean.sanjuro said:Well, I have now. I see promises were made but not kept, but since you were so nice about it, good luck with your POS. Should have bought a [insert bike here].
I asked Nick before reaming it and he said "there is no structural reason that the seat tube isn't fully reamed" and followed with the comment that he didn't see why you would need more seat post adjustment. I was a little flabbergasted, to say the least.trailhacker said:Back on topic, maybe this was metioned and/or already covered, but is it possible that the frame that only allows the seatpost X amount down is the good frame and the frame that allows full insertion (dirty, dirty ) is actually the bad frame? The CS rep from intense told you that they are designed to only go down X" right?
No problem. I totally agree with you though that there is no reason that a frame should not be prep'd from the factory. For a large frame, I would set up the the reamer to allow for a 410mm seatpost to be fully lowered. That would allow for 0-12" of exposed seat post.meatboot said:Not trying to pick on you Chris, just using your post to frame some of the issues.
Jeremy R said:Yeah, but it is not loud for long.
It gets real quiet after the headtube snaps off. :devil:
Check out the Chain Reaction series -- I think the third one.BUCKET said:Interesting .... I have never heard of that happening before. I call BULL****!!!!!!!!!
You're perfectly right but You missed my point.syadasti said:Way to pour out the cognitive dissonance there BadFastard and ignore the reality of actual Intense owner with unacceptable problems.
You see in the real world when companies do a **** job they go out of business. Like GM and US automotive industry in general. Consumers aren't dumb. Intense better clean up their act or go the way of the Dodo (for GM it was too little, too late)...
Thats cool. I think this is a missed expectations, which is a customer service issue.meatboot said:Sorry I hurt your feelings, but I wasn't trying to be mean.
It bears repeating that other the seat tube issue I am extremely happy with the bike. I'm more upset about the way the situation was handled than with a problem that can be solved with a $15 shim or $35 ream job. I did a lot of bike testing before throwing down my money and the Uzzi has not let me down in terms of performance.
BadFastard said:I hate to hear that there are a few issues with your frame, but It makes me sick how a bunch of people here jump the band wagon and go and slash a company not even knowing what they're talking about.
I have owned 4 intenses now. None had any issue whatsoever. straight as an arrow and no haircrack at all. I keep buying them because I feel confident about the high standard of quality. I know my next bike will be an intense again.
I know of about 20 other intenses (friends and riders I met) Only one guy broke an M1 chainstay, but then again he weighs 140 kilos (+/- 290 pounds)
Not a single model was misaligned.
Before intense was available here in belgium, Foes was the only true DH bike available. At some point there were 10 frames running.
ALL of them broke. that's a 100% to you sir. Mine broke 3 times. And we were not nearly riding as hard as we do now.
At some point, mine came back from a warranty job (swingarm broke for the 2nd time) it was 4 CM misaligned. Thats about 1.75", or roughly the size of an xc racing tire.
I met a guy with an Orange, broken on 7 different places, without having it crashed.
One other mate of mine had a GT DHi. He broke it 3 times in 3 weeks. Every single rider on GT DHi broke his frame multiple times. My mate replaced it with an M1 3 years ago and has never had any problem anymore.
Before we all sing praise on Giant and Santa cruz: are we not forgetting the dreadful play in the rear end due to bolts loosening and bad fitting bearings?
I've seen a SC breaking the head tube clear off.
A mate is now running his Third replacement Specialized frame. Every half year he's through with a frame.
I've seen broken Kona's, Nicolai's.... I can go on till the cows come home.
What's my point? Problems happen, but stop slagging one specific make. We're sportsmen here, so let's play a fair game and admit it happens everywhere.
Another possible explanation: Intense thinks they're an Old World road frame shop.sanjuro said:There has been some discussion about how these skills are a lost art. Back in the day, road frames were rarely prepped, and this was a normal task . . .. Frankly, I don't much about building custom DH bikes, but it does sound similar to road prep. Many roadies who receive only framesets often require facing done.
lol... sorry about your dilema... hope shiat works itself out...Franky said:haha this is great who'd a thought youd find a thread about displeased intense owners.
I get my uzzi vpx from my lbs and i bought it with 150mm dropouts by mistake . Worked out a swap through my shop and intense to get 135mm dropouts. Intense says no problem they are in stock , send the 150's back. I pay the extra to express them over there as im leaving for BC next friday figuring they are going to ship them standard ground back. my shop gets a call today from intense stating that no they arent in stock and oops they wont be ready for another week. Greeeeaaaatttttttt and on top of that they kindly mentioned that I can pay for the express shipping back since it was definitely not their fault they told me they had em and didnt. Great work intense! thumbs up and this will be the last intense item i own.