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Waterboarding: Yep, we do it!

Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by BurlyShirley, Feb 5, 2008.

  1. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/TheLaw/story?id=4244423&page=1

    ...but as long as we don't "define" it as torture, than it's not torture. NTTATWWT.
     
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    Dartman Old Bastard Mike

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    Zark Hey little girl, do you want some candy?

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    Maybe Mr. Hayden should undergo a little waterboarding under senatorial supervision on this subject.
     
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    Too many people think that "waterboarding" is in the X-Games...
     
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    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    i heard that chix pay for 'harder' torture than that on waterb0ngage.c0|\/|

    :D
     
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    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Isn't Waterboarding being added to the Summer X-Games this year?
     
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  7. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    It would be pretty cool if someone decided to hold the "Terrorist Olympics" where you had to go through different events to win an Omnium Terror Award. The events would be things like:

    How Long Can you stand to be Waterboarded before giving up Osama's Location.

    Timed IED construction out of bare materials

    A beard contest

    Beheading an Amerian Dummy on Camera

    Flight simulator (no "landing" involved)
     
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    valve bouncer Master Dildoist

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    Hydro-suggestion therapy sounds good I think.
     
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    Yeah, you honestly care that the 911 mastermind was waterboarded? Geneva Convention should only apply to those who themselves follow it. They didnt; they dont receive its protections.

    "I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew, Daniel Pearl, in the city of Karachi, Pakistan," said a Pentagon transcript of Saturday's hearing. "For those who would like to confirm, there are pictures of me on the Internet holding his head." ----Kalid sheikh Mohammed

    This is the guy they waterboarded....do you think Daniel pearl would have wanted waterboarding or beheading.
     
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    syadasti i heart mac

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    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Actually, I do care. Maybe a few years ago I wouldn't have, but administering punishments before convictions is not the American way, nor is cruel and unusual punishment. Also, two wrongs dont make a right.
    Also, I dont like my gov't being so evasive all the time either.
     
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    I saw the head of the cia say the techniques we use really aren't torture to soldiers because they're so fit. "You should see what we do to train our own soldiers, that might be considered torture."

    Torture to me is removing red meat from my diet:)
     
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    Not to mention it will decline standards for other countries when treating our or any other POW/POW like prisoners. If first world countries aren't humane they won't think about it at all.
     
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    Exactly! Revenge is one thing, but when THE STATE does the torture and murdering it becomes what it claims to stop.
     
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    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Yeah, that's the only way to get from one station to another. Well, that and jumping through fire hoops.
     
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    I couldnt agree more....for american citizens or nations that follow the rules of warfare. Convictions are not required for enemy combatants captured on a field of battle not wearing the colors of the country they fight for, you are applying innate rights of US citizens to someone that is not an american, apples and oranges. Terrorist and an enemy that hides within the populous can not receive the same benefits as soldiers that do. That is the message that should be sent. You want fair, then play fair. We cant and should not show an ounce of compassion or leniency b/c we will be given none.

    "two wrongs dont make a right." See you are turing this into a battle of morals. That is a losing philosophy. It is a good philosophy to have, in most aspects of life, but not in a war. Politeness in warfare is a new invention and is counter productive to the ultimate goal of winning.

    I know there is a line that a government can cross when it stops being for the people and by the people. My point is waterboarding someone who killed 3000+ us citizens doesnt come close to that line. Nor does waterboarding someone who MAY have information that can save even one soldiers life. A terrorists comfort is secondary to a soldiers, us citizens, or innocent Iraqi's life in my eyes.

    I understand your points, but i fundamentally disagree with nearly all i have ever read that you post (politics wise)(not bashing you either it's your opinnion and you are welcome to it). I would love to sit down over a few cases of beer and fight it out with you....sadly geography is a fickle b!tch and we live too far apart.
     
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    Which of course leads to the next event- human jigsaw. You get duct tape and a staple gun and put 'em back together.
     
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    we do not follow the rules of warfare, ergo our soldiers should be tortured by your rationale.
     
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    Uh, America doesn't follow the Geneva conventions, so do you get a special pass or something?
    Indeed, we must not forget that non-American people are sub-human.
    Play fair? Says the side with the $$ military in the world? The side who invaded Iraq? Are you serious?
    Wait, are we talking about 9/11 or Iraq now? I guess it doesn't matter though right?

    People who MAY have information can be tortured, just in case? I think maybe you need to think your position through a little bit more.
     
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    Cheney's at the other end of the rope...

     
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