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Don't mess with the Santas
Apr 16, 2002
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Unrepentant Shoe Bomber Sentenced to Life
By PAM BELLUCK (New York Times Online Edition)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/national/31SHOE.html


BOSTON, Jan. 30 — Richard C. Reid, who said he was a member of Al Qaeda and pleaded guilty to trying to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight with explosives concealed in his shoes, was sentenced today to life in prison.
Mr. Reid was unrepentant and confrontational, telling Judge William G. Young of Federal District Court, "I am at war with your country" and saying, "I further admit my allegiance to Sheik Osama bin Laden, to Islam and to the religion of Allah."
Afterward, he resisted as officers tried to handcuff him and tug him out of the courtroom. He shouted at the judge: "You're not going to stand me down. You'll go down. You will be judged by Allah. Your flag will come down and so will your country."

Judge Young denounced Mr. Reid and dismissed his assertion that he was a righteous soldier, defending the Islamic world from hostile American policies.
"You are not an enemy combatant, you are a terrorist," Judge Young said. "You are not a soldier in any army, you are a terrorist. To call you a soldier gives you far too much stature."

"You are a terrorist, and we do not negotiate with terrorists," the judge continued. "We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice."
Judge Young called Mr. Reid "a species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders." And he told Mr. Reid, a tall, lumbering man with scraggly black hair, "You're a big fellow, but you're not that big."
Mr. Reid, a 29-year-old British citizen, pleaded guilty in October to trying to ignite bombs hidden in the soles of his black high-top sneakers on a Paris-to-Miami flight on Dec. 22, 2001. A flight attendant smelled sulfur from the matches Mr. Reid was lighting and noticed him in Seat 29A, trying to set the tongue of one of his shoes on fire.
Then, passengers and crew members overpowered Mr. Reid. Two doctors on board injected him with sedatives, and the plane, American Airlines Flight 63, was diverted to Boston's airport, escorted by two F-15 fighter jets. None of the 197 passengers and crew members were seriously hurt, but two flight attendants suffered minor injuries.
Three of the flight attendants testified at today's hearing, saying they continued to experience trauma.
"I, a 5-2 woman, wrestled a 6-4 man alone," said one, Cristina Jones. "I tried to lunge over Seat 29A, and that's when he bit me through my skin."

While making his guilty plea last fall, Mr. Reid laughed, saying: "'Basically, I got on the plane with a bomb. Basically, I tried to ignite it. Basically, yeah, I intended to damage the plane."
Today, he was sentenced on eight charges, including attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and attempted murder. Judge Young also fined him $2 million.

Mr. Reid could have received a minimum of 60 years in prison. None of the charges carried a potential death penalty. Unlike Zacarias Moussaoui, who is being held in relation to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and could face the death penalty, Mr. Reid was not charged with conspiracy.

Prosecutors had urged that Mr. Reid receive a life sentence with no chance of parole.

In the course of their investigation, federal prosecutors said Mr. Reid received training at Al Qaeda terrorist camps in Afghanistan. And investigators said they uncovered documents showing that in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Reid traveled in Israel and other Middle Eastern countries, looking for vulnerable places to plant bombs.
Although Mr. Reid told investigators that he had constructed the bombs himself from materials he bought in Europe, prosecutors said they found evidence that he had help. Among the evidence was a human hair in the bomb and a palm print on the paper used to make the detonator.

In May, Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, said he believed that "an Al Qaeda bomb maker" made the shoe bomb.
Prosecutors also released e-mail messages they said Mr. Reid wrote before boarding the American Airlines flight. In one he described a dream of waiting for a ride in a truck only to learn that the truck had no room for him. In the e-mail message, he wrote that he believed that the truck symbolized the Sept. 11 attacks and that the dream revealed his frustration at not being one of the hijackers.
Mr. Reid's public defenders sought to portray him in a softer light.
In a sentencing memorandum, the lawyers said Mr. Reid was the product of a broken home who grappled with racial intolerance. The memorandum said that Mr. Reid's black Jamaican father was rarely around and that Mr. Reid, whose mother was British, was conscious of being the only dark-skinned person in his family.
The lawyers said these experiences stoked Mr. Reid's anger and led him into a life of drug addiction, foster homes and petty crime. Ultimately, defense lawyers wrote, he converted to Islam in prison to find meaning in his life, and his effort to blow up the plane was an act "to prevent the destruction of the religion that saved him."
In court today, one of Mr. Reid's lawyers, Owen Walker, asked the judge to view Mr. Reid's act as a reflection of "geopolitical forces that we don't fully understand."
And Mr. Reid, tapping the table and jiggling his leg in a beige prison uniform and navy blue tennis shoes, told the judge, "I think I ought not apologize for my actions."
"Your government has killed two million children in Iraq," he said, and "your government has sponsored the rape and torture of Muslims in the prisons of Egypt and Turkey and Syria and Jordan with their money and with their weapons. O.K.?"

"I don't see what I done as being equal to rape and to torture or to the deaths of the two million children in Iraq," Mr. Reid said.
Judge Young was clearly not swayed.
"We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid," the judge said. "We are Americans. We have been through the fire before."
Pointing to the flag on the courtroom wall, he said: "You see that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag still stands for freedom. You know it always will."
 

The Toninator

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Jul 6, 2001
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I say public execution in and cruel and unusual way. I’m all for totally ****ing somebody’s world when they make and conscious concerted effort to take innocent people’s lives. This act was well thought out, planned and executed by criminals. The moment these criminals attempted to rob humans of their basic right to life they forfeited their basic right to be treated as humans. So I believe that we should be able to punish them in any manor we see fit at the time.
 

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I broke all the rules, but somehow still became mo
Sep 6, 2001
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Originally posted by The Toninator
I say public execution in and cruel and unusual way. I’m all for totally ****ing somebody’s world when they make and conscious concerted effort to take innocent people’s lives. This act was well thought out, planned and executed by criminals. The moment these criminals attempted to rob humans of their basic right to life they forfeited their basic right to be treated as humans. So I believe that we should be able to punish them in any manor we see fit at the time.
Something cruel would be nice :devil:

But death means nothing to this guy... he was already ready to blow himself up:rolleyes:
 

Damn True

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Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
I dunno. We don't issue capital punishment for attempted murder.
I think the rest of his natural life in general population is adequete. Wait till "bubba" finds out who his new cell-mate is.

Kind of a tough one here. He admittedly had intent to kill everyone on that plane. Is that enough to justify capital punishment?

We have other intent laws such as intent to distribute narcotics......
 

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I think Jail is the perfect place for him. I'm sure he will run int o new "friends" , and I'm sure there will be some in there who lost people they know in 911, or just pissed about 911. and here comes this guy in to tell them all how evil the US is. I'm sure he will be treated oh so nicely. and lets not forget about the gaurds , I'll bet they won't exactly be quick to come to his aid.

He should have a fun time , at least I hope so.
 

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I broke all the rules, but somehow still became mo
Sep 6, 2001
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Livin it up in the O.C.
Originally posted by Ridemonkey
Right, so thats where the torture comes in.
Right... that's why it needs to be something Cruel
Though I believe that life in a federal prison IS cruel... especially if you are this guy (insert humping smile here)

General pop is gonna have a feild day w/ this dude.


(this is him getting beat up, and being forced to toss some salad )
 

Will_Jekyll

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I think life in prison will torture this guy more than death. He will never be able to become a marter like he would have still been able to become if we executed him. He will die 40-50 years from now in jail a forgotten man for a forgotten cause.
 
Jan 25, 2003
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Originally posted by Will_Jekyll
I think life in prison will torture this guy more than death. He will never be able to become a marter like he would have still been able to become if we executed him. He will die 40-50 years from now in jail a forgotten man for a forgotten cause.
forgotten cause, no middle eastern person is gonna forget this "cause". they will always know of the atrocities western countries have infilicted on thier people. they were taken over and exploited, which many countries deny, and they will pass that on to their children. im not saying his way is right, but if that happened to me i would be pissed and after many generations of this i think they are at the end of their rope. the US has always wanted control of the middle east and them becoming countries of their own have put a kink in their plan, and these terrorists are just adding fuel to the flame, this flame that is making them angry.
 

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Don't mess with the Santas
Apr 16, 2002
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Originally posted by androshandrew
forgotten cause, no middle eastern person is gonna forget this "cause". they will always know of the atrocities western countries have infilicted on thier people. they were taken over and exploited, which many countries deny, and they will pass that on to their children. im not saying his way is right, but if that happened to me i would be pissed and after many generations of this i think they are at the end of their rope. the US has always wanted control of the middle east and them becoming countries of their own have put a kink in their plan, and these terrorists are just adding fuel to the flame, this flame that is making them angry.
All Glory to Allah?
 

LoboDelFuego

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Mar 5, 2002
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Well he certainly won't be forgotten. Americans are so quick to jump on news stories and forget them just as quickly. When was the last time you heard about the guys at camp X-Ray? You can be sure that other nations have not forgetten about those men who are being held in terrible conditions.

A life sentence is bad enough for not actually harming anyone. Think about what it means to be imprisoned forever. It is a terrible sentence, some would argue even worse than death. Why are you so bent upon torturing him? That is a horrible thing.