Whats so awesome about Avy's
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What shock model did they copy? I have never seen an MX shock that is dimensionally identical to an avy. If Stratos was as "capable" as Avalanche as a suspension maker, they would have designed their own scaled-down mx shock, rather than copy the avy piece for piece.Jm_ said:
Jm_ said:
Agreed on that one. They didnt invent anything, they just stopped making things up. SPV in forks, all these mumbo jumbo valving ideas, why try to re-invent suspension. There are industries that have all but perfected suspension design so why ignore it? if you look at the internals to an AVY, nothing is plastic, everything is hard annodized, perfection. all the Tolerances are exact so you have no worries of malfunction in the fork or shock. I never noticed an over damping in the rear shocks but it depends on ride style. all in all it comes down to engineers with crazy ideas on what you need, not what works best.
bullcrew said:
thats a stretch...
2005 Fox Vanilla RLC 130 on a DJ Hardtail.seismic said:What kind of shock and fork are you riding on what frame ?
HAHAHA....that's because Stratos is the worst company in the history of mountain bikes....the encourage you to play with shims because a monkey on mescaline could probably come up with a better valving scheme than the ones they put in their shocks.....stratos sucks dicks for nickels and made a cheap knock off of an avy but made it from pot metal to save som cash....this thread is stupidzedro said:fun fact: Stratos actually encourages you to play with the shims, so ElHefe owners are not surprisingly more self-actualised people
Zark said:blowing up a a Rock Shox doesn't count, they came practically blown
haha...they actually did one year...all of the original white Giant DH comps shipped with blown dampers.....hahahahahahahahah
I don't think they copied piece by piece...some things are different. Maybe it never occured to them to make a MX shock until Avy came along. They had the Helix DH back in the day that had air assist...which everyone laughed at: "yeah, using air assist for dh...sure!"nickaziz said:
Anyways, I can't go into length concerning the other posts right this second but I plan on pulling apart my El Jefe to see what's going on inside. I'll post pics and compare with the Avy internal pics.
edit. I thought about this...when Avalanche was becoming a little more common, Stratos was going through changes, staff changes and OnSport buying them. Maybe they didn't think it would be a good idea to come up with a heavy MX-style shock at the time. Maybe after seeing Craig have so much success, they thought they missed the boat. Who knows.
Yah avalanche do rule. Do I really need to say more?
The shock is so plush and never bottoms whoever said it's overdamped need to ride my bike in 8" mode. I run it in 5.5" and have no problem CASING 15+ foot drops.
All other shocks blow yes they do... the only one I have seen not get absolutely maimed beyond recognition up here is the new DHX but there's only like 1 in town on a VpFree, i've seen just about everything happen to just about every other shock on the market... my Avalanche has been solid for like 2.5 seasons now, and i've only had it rebuilt once.
The shock is so plush and never bottoms whoever said it's overdamped need to ride my bike in 8" mode. I run it in 5.5" and have no problem CASING 15+ foot drops.
All other shocks blow yes they do... the only one I have seen not get absolutely maimed beyond recognition up here is the new DHX but there's only like 1 in town on a VpFree, i've seen just about everything happen to just about every other shock on the market... my Avalanche has been solid for like 2.5 seasons now, and i've only had it rebuilt once.
thats why i didnt buy one, i dont trust the company in general and there hasent been enough feedback on the ElHefe (i certainly would never consider their other products). Devils advocacy is super-fun tho, i can picture half the posters here running to the garage to hug their shocks....Ian Collins said:
What type of shock is on your bike? Is it a DHX or the ElHefe... I thought it was ElHefe but now it sounds like it may not be...zedro said:
BTW any recent pictures of your bike? Still have the Shiver on it?
zedro said:
We hug them all the time !! Dont you ??? If not, - that is why you can not have an Avy....they need hugs :love:
Ahhh...I never really looked. I'll guess I'll be playing what that soon aswell. I'm going to try to change some of the shims to make the fork a little more plush on heavier, faster hits...once I look at it and get a sense of what's going on.Jm_ said:
I'm not exactly sure...you talking about how many shim stacks or just shims in each shim stack? I think it'll be similar to the Avy shocks...one shim stack for compression and one shim stack for rebound. The compression adjuster regulates the hi and lo speed with blow off valves as far as I know (I'm not 100% sure on what's in there yet anyway).scottishmark said:
I don't know...so far they've been treating me ok...and that's with the last few years. Again, I've heard 'stories' about Craig.nickaziz said:
lol...like the time you called and talked to himChrisRobin said:
But people have been pissed off at Stratos before...like Rockshox, Manitou and every other brand out there.zedro said:lol...like the time you called and talked to him
well back in the day, no matter how terrible Stratos products were they were always golden due to great CS. When they got bought over, it all (or alot) went downhill.ChrisRobin said:
But they had good stuff back in the day...remember Mike's 2000 S8?? He loved that thing which is why he bought another one after he sold you his Shiver. I don't know what happened but it didn't feel the same. Also keep in mind we had to always go through OGC which was a joke. They didn't have a clue what to do. If we would of went directly to Stratos, I think everything would of been better. I don't know if Stratos dropped OGC to become customer direct or if OGC dropped them...either way, it's better now.zedro said:
Anyways, we're shifting focus here...Avalanche is the main topic.
well talking more about what was happening on mtbr at the time (pre-ridemonkey days). Back then, Stratos WAS Avalanche with the same die-hardness followings. They had some reliability problems but the warranty department was fast and loose and on a first name basis. After the CS guys left and the company took a harder stance, they turned to mud. Its funny to think the way some people felt about Stratos back then is exactly the way Avy is now (well, i noticed it has lost some sheen lately)ChrisRobin said:
That is funny you say that because it does contain some truth. In the early 2000's Stratos was the sh*t, it was considered one of the best out there. They had some CS issues and the hate started flying. Even though they continued to put out a descent product everyone jumped ship because of their business practices. Some people like the small manufacture tweeky tweeky product (me included) than the mass produced stuff. It's kind of like stereo equipment, you can go main stream for example Sony, Dennon, Onkio etc, maybe step it up a hair Sony ES, Pioneer Elite. Or then you can go more expensive rare like Lexicon. It's all a matter of taste and preference, plus I prefer the more WOW & performance bike than the everyone has one & performance bike.zedro said:
What a fun read, I'm going to start a thread in the lounge now asking what's so great about subarus.
Is there still an insult forum?
nope there isn'tDH biker said:
Except that Avalanche doesn't have quaility problems, doesn't have poor reliability, and while Craig may be hard to talk to, doesn't have bad customer service.zedro said:
Avalanche might not be the be all and end all, but it is a much more solid company than Stratos.
I absolutely cannot even begin to believe that these threads STILL come up and STILL go on for 100+ posts.
Christ, hasn't everyone learned by now that any time a thread contains both the word "Avalanche" and the name "zedro", it's time to just ignore it? It's hilarious how little it takes for him to get a reaction out of everyone, over and over and over.
Christ, hasn't everyone learned by now that any time a thread contains both the word "Avalanche" and the name "zedro", it's time to just ignore it? It's hilarious how little it takes for him to get a reaction out of everyone, over and over and over.
well when someone refuses to setup your shock the way you want it, or, and quote from the site, "do not sell shocks with a warranty for untested set-ups", well i wouldnt call that stellar service lol. In that case they better be super-reliablenickaziz said:
not just everyone, the same people over and over againbinary visions said:
whats funnier is originally i never even said anything bad about Avys, i just said i liked 'brand X'....then everyone freaked out and was declared Hitler lol
None of you have thought about longevity. An Avalanche will almost certainly (I'D HAVE THOUGHT) out last other brands lightweight, pot metal, cheap looking cast crap. You can also get Craig to change the eye-to-eye/stroke length should you decide to swap your frame. Also I'd have thought Avalanche stuff would be more durable for the heavier, clumsier, less smooth rider or just anyone not too keen on ridiculous amounts of maintenance, who wants durabilty, top quality and fit and forget, reliable suspension.
Let's face it you yanks make some real nasty crap (see ALL your cars for proof of that lol). You also make SOME real good stuff (see NASA, Boeing, RCS, etc, etc). To the point though: just look at the prices of some of your ****ty cast bike parts etc. Avalanche is the only bike suspension that looks and is of motorbike suspension, quality, everything else looks "toy townish" and like it came off a kids bike from ToysRus. I wil not pay high prices for american crap. Craig deserves a pat on the back and a medal for raising the bar higher.
If you don't agree with me; remember we are all entitled to our opinion. So I don't give two fooks what you think. Ok? Good. If you don't like it, maybe you could contact that retard George Bush, who TRYS to run your country; I'm sure he could sort it for a few of your high school dropouts ahem 'soldiers,' sorry, to fire a few missiles this way. I've no oil though, sorry.
EDIT. NO, I don't use Avalanche stuff- I would like to when I get into DH. At the moment i'm a hardtail rider. Ok? Good. Just so you ****ers don't mince/mix/twist my words like the nit-picking, argumentative, patronising, self-important, pathetic, sanctimonious, clueless, gushing, e-biking, homosexual, wannabe super-racer/industry bigwig, asshole americans you are.
Thankyou.
Let's face it you yanks make some real nasty crap (see ALL your cars for proof of that lol). You also make SOME real good stuff (see NASA, Boeing, RCS, etc, etc). To the point though: just look at the prices of some of your ****ty cast bike parts etc. Avalanche is the only bike suspension that looks and is of motorbike suspension, quality, everything else looks "toy townish" and like it came off a kids bike from ToysRus. I wil not pay high prices for american crap. Craig deserves a pat on the back and a medal for raising the bar higher.
If you don't agree with me; remember we are all entitled to our opinion. So I don't give two fooks what you think. Ok? Good. If you don't like it, maybe you could contact that retard George Bush, who TRYS to run your country; I'm sure he could sort it for a few of your high school dropouts ahem 'soldiers,' sorry, to fire a few missiles this way. I've no oil though, sorry.
EDIT. NO, I don't use Avalanche stuff- I would like to when I get into DH. At the moment i'm a hardtail rider. Ok? Good. Just so you ****ers don't mince/mix/twist my words like the nit-picking, argumentative, patronising, self-important, pathetic, sanctimonious, clueless, gushing, e-biking, homosexual, wannabe super-racer/industry bigwig, asshole americans you are.
Thankyou.
Since I'm not in the mood to pick any particular comment out and disect the individuals mental capacity, I'll just say
AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! oh yeah i forgot to mention AVY! AVY! AVY!
got it, if not get it!
And yes I like the El Jeffe's as well, who cares about it being a take off they work awesome and why re invent the wheel.
I still run Avy but Stratos makes one hell of a shock as well even if it resembles an Avy. You can't perfect perfection just replicate it.
AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! oh yeah i forgot to mention AVY! AVY! AVY!
got it, if not get it!
And yes I like the El Jeffe's as well, who cares about it being a take off they work awesome and why re invent the wheel.
I still run Avy but Stratos makes one hell of a shock as well even if it resembles an Avy. You can't perfect perfection just replicate it.
DH biker said:
I think it was starting to get out of hand...plus after thinking about it...it wasn't very Ridemonkey-like.
Yeah it's funny no one posts anything like "what's so good about Nicolai" or "what's so good about BMW".binary visions said:
I always find it's a fun read...especially when it's the same people posting and saying the same things over and over again.
I assume you had a bad experience with Stratos or a friend had an issue that kept you from riding somehow. Either way, someone somewhere has had an issue with every company out there leading them to not like the company...kinda like me and Balfa. Awesome bikes, smoothe...but the company made me incredibly angry when they blew me off about a quality issue. Others here swear by them.nickaziz said:
In the end, I'm just trying to bring some balance to all of this.
i ride a hardtail
Bullcrew wrote:
"Since I'm not in the mood to pick any particular comment out and disect the individuals mental capacity, I'll just say
AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! oh yeah i forgot to mention AVY! AVY! AVY!
got it, if not get it!"
Hit a nerve did I? Yeah? Good. I knew I would. Bit touchy you yanks are, aren't you? Trouble with you yanks is you live in the "land of dreams", so you are asleep most the time. You all need to come back to reality, stop dreaming, realise you don't own the world and see the real world and how you are ****ing it up. Realise you cant bully everyone all the time to get your own way. I bet you'd love to come sink a bullet in my skull now, wouldn't you? Don't cry now fatboy. McDonalds will be open soon.
Avy is one of the only brands from the USA that isn't cheap crap and a complete rip-off. All your other pot metal nasty cast crap eg Fox, Progressive, Manipoo, Avid, Hayes etc, all sells off the back of over zealous, over expensive marketing campaigns, backed up with considerable amounts of good old bull****, American style. Their marketing campaigns might fool you fat, dumb, bloated yanks but the rest of the world is not so gullible, stupid and easy to pull the wool over. I mean, just look at your whole media and the way you Americans lap up all the bull**** and lies fed to you. Bush went to war for the sole purpose of getting OIL, oil to run all your thirsty, huge, ****ty trucks you lazy, selfish ****ers drive. WAKE UP YOU MORONS. You're all brainwashed, media-whore IDIOTS. Ha ha ha. Laughable.
So, you can keep your cheap looking, rip-off crap, just like you can keep your ****ty, horrible, tacky POS cars. Notice how NO ONE buys American cars except Americans? I wonder why........ You yanks just have no sense of quality or style.
PS. The Bermuda triangle is to some extent, magical. It's where Americans die/dissapear. I sometimes sit drinking a pint, thinking of it dreamily.
I hope this pisses off a fair few yanks. If you don't like it; boo ****ing hoo- go ****-off to McDonalds or go read the bible like the bible bashing, overly patriotic assholes you are.
"Since I'm not in the mood to pick any particular comment out and disect the individuals mental capacity, I'll just say
AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! AVY! oh yeah i forgot to mention AVY! AVY! AVY!
got it, if not get it!"
Hit a nerve did I? Yeah? Good. I knew I would. Bit touchy you yanks are, aren't you? Trouble with you yanks is you live in the "land of dreams", so you are asleep most the time. You all need to come back to reality, stop dreaming, realise you don't own the world and see the real world and how you are ****ing it up. Realise you cant bully everyone all the time to get your own way. I bet you'd love to come sink a bullet in my skull now, wouldn't you? Don't cry now fatboy. McDonalds will be open soon.
Avy is one of the only brands from the USA that isn't cheap crap and a complete rip-off. All your other pot metal nasty cast crap eg Fox, Progressive, Manipoo, Avid, Hayes etc, all sells off the back of over zealous, over expensive marketing campaigns, backed up with considerable amounts of good old bull****, American style. Their marketing campaigns might fool you fat, dumb, bloated yanks but the rest of the world is not so gullible, stupid and easy to pull the wool over. I mean, just look at your whole media and the way you Americans lap up all the bull**** and lies fed to you. Bush went to war for the sole purpose of getting OIL, oil to run all your thirsty, huge, ****ty trucks you lazy, selfish ****ers drive. WAKE UP YOU MORONS. You're all brainwashed, media-whore IDIOTS. Ha ha ha. Laughable.
So, you can keep your cheap looking, rip-off crap, just like you can keep your ****ty, horrible, tacky POS cars. Notice how NO ONE buys American cars except Americans? I wonder why........ You yanks just have no sense of quality or style.
PS. The Bermuda triangle is to some extent, magical. It's where Americans die/dissapear. I sometimes sit drinking a pint, thinking of it dreamily.
I hope this pisses off a fair few yanks. If you don't like it; boo ****ing hoo- go ****-off to McDonalds or go read the bible like the bible bashing, overly patriotic assholes you are.
me too