Stephen Hawking is my god.
Where's your Jesus now?
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This explains a lot.
that must make me your peter... wait.
Sure people will find other reasons. But violence has declined ever since biblical times.
Were now living in a time where there is far less religion and also far less violence then ever before and if you look at the conflicts we still have, they are usually about religion.
At least you would know what the hell you were talking about.
No use arguing with you if you dont want to know what Im talking about is there?
At least I read the bible and was raised a Christian so I actually know what Im criticising.
This is all you need to say.
Why wouldnt there be any use?
Isnt that what people do on a forum?
Religion vs Science to me and lots of other people is a very interesting subject. It is of great influence on anyone in the world we live in.
Im only refering to the no "use point" because one party doesnt want to know the facts that are being discussed because it takes him too much effort.
If it takes so much effort to learn about what youre talking about, there really isnt any use in getting into the argument in the first place is there?
Glad people like you still have something usefull to contribute though.
Religion vs Science = apples to oranges.
Religion vs Science Fiction = apples to apples.
Religion vs Science Fiction = apples to apples.
So without completing your assigned reading I can't participate in a discussion on the merits of religion and science in explaining what some call "the mysteries of life"?
Forgive me if I ignore your opinion.
Silver, I'm in the same boat.
Kevin has more or less made the assertion that religion is no longer valuable as a way for people to explain the universe because science has found the answers.
The argument I am trying to make is, anyone who believes that science has all the answers is foolish just as someone who believes that religion has all the answers is foolish.
MikeD you are a gentleman and a scholar.
I disagree - science has uncovered more questions than religion can answer without playing the faith card.
You should do shrooms with Knuckleslamer.
Lookit, Pope says God made the Big Bang. Now I have a picture of God bending over and lighting a big God fart with a Bic shouting "Hey, Zeus, check this out!"
Big Bang Pope
Big Bang Pope
Sure you can join in on the conversation, but if you dont know both sides of the discussion your input doesnt really bring much to the table as if yould fully understand both sides does it?
I told you before that science doesnt claim that it has all the final anwsers, I never claimed that what Im saying here is absolute truth, in fact, I said it is not.
Science has allready uncovered a whole lot about a whole lot. The general public doesnt even know about most of these discoveries, thats why i told you to read and get educated on the subject first before you talk about something you dont know enough about.
What bothers me is that religion is not catching up and in some cases even straight up denies scientific facts.
If I were a religious leader I would be embracing these facts because they are as marvelous as they would be with the intervention of a surpreme being.
But as Darwin said, "There is grandeur in this view of life". I dont need a god hypothesis to see the beauty of it all.
What science claims, is that they have figured out enough facts to say the probability for their theories to be true is exponentially larger then a god hypothesis.
Mike...
I partly agree with you on the argument of imagining infinity (but I think if youre exposed to it long enough you can definitly get used to the id), but in this case it is subject of both the science and the religious theory so it doesnt really make a difference in this argument.
Or did you mean something else?
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Yeah, but even if that's what he's arguing, he's more than half right.
Science is working on the answers, and religion has none and actively lies.
It's not that religion is no longer valuable, it's been actively harmful for more than 2400 years.
At no point were we discussing the details or validity of M-theory or string theory or whatever they are calling it this year, so I don't see how reading all these books would influence our debate. I concede you have read more books on the subject.
Where I disagree with you is your basic premise that science has made religion obsolete (if this is not what you were trying to convey to Andy then I apologize for arguing in circles). There are many things which have not and will not be explained by science. For me it is easy to admit I don't know but I can see why some would seek answers from religion.
So we are weighing the merits of science v religion on how much harm each has done? Well it's a good thing that nothing bad has ever come from science or been done in the name of science.
Science may be new on the scene but its on the way to seriously screwing us over.
No - there's plenty of *entertainment* in arguing on the internet.Why wouldnt there be any use?
Isnt that what people do on a forum?
Religion vs Science to me and lots of other people is a very interesting subject. It is of great influence on anyone in the world we live in.
Im only refering to the no "use point" because one party doesnt want to know the facts that are being discussed because it takes him too much effort.
If it takes so much effort to learn about what youre talking about, there really isnt any use in getting into the argument in the first place is there?
Glad people like you still have something usefull to contribute though.
Just no "use"...
Just sayin'.
No, you're trying to say that since science doesn't have all the answers, religion isn't stupid. That's a non-sequitur.
What I'm saying is the usefulness of the two tools isn't comparable in any way, shape, or fashion...and that one of them is actively harmful if you want an understanding of the cosmos.
And this is why I like the universal approach of Buddhism where faith is either proven or not by science. If science explains it, then faith isn't needed, even if science proved the faith you held before to be wrong. If science hasn't proven it or hasn't been applied, then faith can be maintained for now.
Unlike other faiths that cling to their guns and religious books until death.
Totally different story and totally not comparable...
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If your going to tell me to believe in organized religion your going to have to give me a better excuse than, just because, or you'll go to hell otherwise, or because the priest told me so.
Until then I will believe in myself and my ability to perceive my path as it unfolds before me on a daily basis. The answers of the universe can fall into the hat called 'doesn't fecking matter'. I mean really, to go about my daily life, do I even need those types of answers?
I think people rely on religion for affirmation that everything will be ok in the end. Otherwise the void of not knowing the future would weigh too heavily. It seems that people can't just accept the thought of not-knowing. They just HAVE to have an answer. Thats where religion comes in, to provide one. Some people have really made a load of cash off that need too. In fact I might have to go put a bucket over my head and come up with some divinely inspired words to begin my own church.
If your going to tell me to believe in organized religion your going to have to give me a better excuse than, just because, or you'll go to hell otherwise, or because the priest told me so.
Until then I will believe in myself and my ability to perceive my path as it unfolds before me on a daily basis. The answers of the universe can fall into the hat called 'doesn't fecking matter'. I mean really, to go about my daily life, do I even need those types of answers?
I think people rely on religion for affirmation that everything will be ok in the end. Otherwise the void of not knowing the future would weigh too heavily. It seems that people can't just accept the thought of not-knowing. They just HAVE to have an answer. Thats where religion comes in, to provide one. Some people have really made a load of cash off that need too. In fact I might have to go put a bucket over my head and come up with some divinely inspired words to begin my own church.
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Because if you had any knowledge of "things scientific" you might start to see where "we" are coming from and why things can be explained without the need for a flying spaghetti monster.
That's "therapists" Mr. Connery...
What ever happened to RUFUS?
he lives in colorado now. cooking full time (i think) and switched from downhilling to cyclocross & road. i think he just lurks these days. he was last active yesterday, but hasn't posted more than a few times in the last couple of months
Since RS started putting graphics on stanchions he has no reason to come here anymore.
it wasn't without good reason. he was glad he was able to continue cycling.
Stalker.......
no, i just keep in touch with him via fb. i used to downhill with him pretty frequently
WTF?! He has obviously not had a frozen thin mint.