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After Action Report - Raven 42 Ambushed!
Blackfive.net | 3/26/05

"When we first started taking fire, I just looked to the right and saw seven or eight guys shooting back at us — muzzle flashes...At first, I shot one guy. I saw him fall" - Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester, ABC News Report

AFTER ACTION REPORT: Raven 42 action in Salman Pak

Over the next few days you will see on the television news shows, and in the print news media the story of a Military Police Squad who are heroes. Through those outlets, I doubt that their story will get out in a truly descriptive manner. I can't express to you the pride, awe, and respect I feel for the soldiers of call sign Raven 42.

On Sunday afternoon, in a very bad section of scrub-land called Salman Pak, on the southeastern outskirts of Baghdad, 40 to 50 heavily-armed Iraqi insurgents attacked a convoy of 30 civilian tractor trailer trucks that were moving supplies for the coalition forces, along an Alternate Supply Route. These tractor trailers, driven by third country nationals (primarily Turkish), were escorted by 3 armored Hummers from the COSCOM*. When the insurgents attacked, one of the Hummers was in their kill zone and the three soldiers aboard were immediately wounded, and the platform taken under heavy machinegun and RPG** fire.

Along with them, three of the truck drivers were killed, 6 were wounded in the tractor trailer trucks. The enemy attacked from a farmer's barren field next to the road, with a tree line perpendicular to the ASR***, two dry irrigation ditches forming a rough L-shaped trenchline, and a house standing off the dirt road. After three minutes of sustained fire, a squad o f enemy moved forward toward the disabled and suppressed trucks. Each of the enemy had hand-cuffs and were looking to take hostages for ransom or worse, to take those three wounded US soldiers for more internet beheadings.

About this time, three armored Hummers that formed the MP Squad under call sign Raven 42, 617th MP Co, Kentucky National Guard, assigned to the 503rd MP Bn (Fort Bragg), 18th MP Bde, arrived on the scene like the cavalry. The squad had been shadowing the convoy from a distance behind the last vehicle, and when the convoy trucks stopped and became backed up from the initial attack, the squad sped up, paralleled the convoy up the shoulder of the road, and moved to the sound of gunfire.

They arrived on the scene just as a squad of about ten enemy had moved forward across the farmer's field and were about 20 meters from the road. The MP squad opened fire with .50 cal machineguns and Mk19 grenade launchers and drove across the front of the enemy's kill zone, between the enemy and the trucks, drawing fire off of the tractor trailers.

The MP's crossed the kill zone and then turned up an access road at a right angle to the ASR and next to the field full of enemy fighters. The three vehicles, carrying nine MPs and one medic, stopped in a line on the dirt access road and flanked the enemy positions with plunging fire from the .50 cal and the SAW machinegun (Squad Automatic Weapon). In front of them, was a line of seven sedans, with all their doors and trunk lids open, the getaway cars and the lone two story house off on their left.

Immediately the middle vehicle was hit by an RPG knocking the gunner unconscious from his turret and down into the vehicle. The Vehicle Commander (the TC*****), the squad's leader, thought the gunner was dead, but tried to treat him from inside the vehicle. Simultaneously, the rear vehicle's driver and TC, section leader two, open their doors and dismount to fight, while their gunner continued firing from his position in the gun platform on top of the Hummer. Immediately, all three fall under heavy return machinegun fire, wounded. The driver of the middle vehicle saw them fall out the rearview mirror, dismounts and sprints to get into the third vehicle and take up the SAW on top the vehicle. The Squad's medic dismounts from that third vehicle, and joined by the first vehicle's driver (CLS trained****) who sprinted back to join him, begins combat life-saving techniques to treat the three wounded MPs. The gunner on the floor of the second vehicle is revived by his TC, the squad leader, and he climbs back into the .50 cal and opens fire. The Squad leader dismounted with his M4 carbine, and 2 hand grenades, grabbed the section leader out of the first vehicle who had rendered radio reports of their first contact. The two of them, squad leader Staff Sergeant and team leader Sergeant with her M4 and M203 grenade launcher, rush the nearest ditch about 20 meters away to start clearing the natural trenchline. The enemy has gone into the ditches and is hiding behind several small trees in the back of the lot. The .50 cal and SAW flanking fire tears apart the ten enemy in the lead trenchline.

Meanwhile, the two treating the three wounded on the ground at the rear vehicle come under sniper fire from the farmer's house. Each of them, remember one is a medic, pull out AT-4 rocket launchers from the HMMWV and nearly-simultaneously fire the rockets into the house to neutralize the shooter. The two sergeants work their way up the trenchline, throwing grenades, firing grenades from the launcher, and firing their M4s.

The sergeant runs low on ammo and runs back to a vehicle to reload. She moves to her squad leader's vehicle, and because this squad is led so well, she knows exactly where to reach her arm blindly into a different vehicle to find ammo-because each vehicle is packed exactly the same, with discipline.

As she turns to move back to the trenchline, Gunner in two sees an AIF***** jump from behind one of the cars and start firing on the Sergeant. He pulls his 9mm, because the .50 cal is pointed in the other direction, and shoots five rounds wounding him.****** The sergeant moves back to the trenchline under fire from the back of the field, with fresh mags, two more grenades, and three more M203 rounds. The Mk 19 gunner suppresses the rear of the field.

Now, rejoined with the squad leader, the two sergeants continue clearing the enemy from the trenchline, until they see no more movement. A lone man with an RPG launcher on his shoulder steps from behind a tree and prepares to fire on the three Hummers and is killed with a single aimed SAW shot thru the head by the previously knocked out gunner on platform two, who now has a SAW out to supplement the .50 cal in the mount.

The team leader sergeant--she claims four killed by aimed M4 shots.

The Squad Leader--he threw four grenades taking out at least two AIF, and attributes one other to her aimed M203 fire.

The gunner on platform two, previously knocked out from a hit by the RPG, has now swung his .50 cal around and, realizing that the line of vehicles represents a hazard and possible getaway for the bad guys, starts shooting the .50cal into the engine blocks until his field of fire is limited. He realizes that his vehicle is still running despite the RPG hit, and drops down from his weapon, into the drivers seat and moves the vehicle forward on two flat tires about 100 meters into a better firing position. Just then, the vehicle dies, oil spraying everywhere. He remounts his .50 cal and continues shooting the remaining of the seven cars lined up and ready for a get-away that wasn't to happen. The fire dies down about then, and a second squad arrives on the scene, dismounts and helps the two giving first aid to the wounded at platform three. Two minutes later three other squads from the 617th arrive, along with the CO, and the field is secured, consolidation begins.

Those seven Americans (with the three wounded) killed in total 24 heavily armed enemy, wounded 6 (two later died), and captured one unwounded, who feigned injury to escape the fight. They seized 22 AK-47s, 6x RPG launchers w/ 16 rockets, 13x RPK machineguns, 3x PKM machineguns, 40 hand grenades, 123 fully loaded 30-rd AK magazines, 52 empty mags, and 10 belts of 2500 rds of PK ammo.

The three wounded MPs have been evacuated to Landstuhl. One lost a kidney and will be paralyzed. The other two will most likely recover, though one will forever have a bullet lodged between second and third ribs below his heart. No word on the three COSCOM soldiers wounded in the initial volleys. Of the 7 members of Raven 42 who walked away, two are Caucasian Women, the rest men-one is Mexican-American, the medic is African-American, and the other two are Caucasian-the great American melting pot.

They believed even before this fight that their NCOs were the best in the Army, and that they have the best squad in the Army. The Medic who fired the AT-4, said he remembered how from the week before when his squad leader forced him to train on it, though he didn't think as a medic he would ever use one. He said he chose to use it in that moment to protect the three wounded on the ground in front of him, once they came under fire from the building. The day before this mission, they took the new RFI bandoliers that were recently issued, and experimented with mounting them in their vehicles. Once they figured out how, they pre-loaded a second basic load of ammo into magazines, put them into the bandoliers, and mounted them in their vehicles---the same exact way in every vehicle-load plans enforced and checked by leaders!

Leadership under fire-once those three leaders (NCOs) stepped out of their vehicles, the squad was committed to the fight.

Their only complaints in the AAR were: the lack of stopping power in the 9mm; the .50 cal incendiary rounds they are issued in lieu of ball ammo (shortage of ball in the inventory) didn't have the penetrating power needed to pierce the walls of the building; and that everyone in the squad was not CLS trained.

Yesterday, Monday, was spent with the chaplain and the chain of command conducting AARs. Today, every news media in theater wanted them. Good Morning America, NBC, CBS, FOX, ABC, Stars and Stripes, and many radio stations from Kentucky all were lined up today. The female E5 Sergeant who fought thru the trenchline will become the anti-Jessica Lynch media poster child. She and her squad leader deserve every bit of recognition they will get, and more. They all do.

I participated in their AAR as the BDE S2, and am helping in putting together an action report to justify future valor awards. Lets not talk about women in combat. Lets not talk about the new Close Combat Badge not including MPs.
 

N8 v2.0

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(Continued from above)

Acronyms/Commets

COSCOM* : Corps Support Command-The echelon that provides supply, Military Police, Medical, and other support to deployed combat Divisions and other tactical units.

RPG** Rocket Propelled Grenades-Cheap, accurate, devastating weapons. I wish we had them.developed by the Soviets.they are everywhere!

ASR*** Alternate Supply Route. This convoy was obviously on a mission off the MSR (Main Supply Route).

CLS trained**** Combat Life Saving Trained. This is a remarkable addition to the basic medical training we used to receive. It is saving lives on the battlefield as it supplements and enhances the skills the Company Medics have.

*****AIF: Anti-Iraq Forces

******The 9mm round was a terrible decision for the Army to make. The 9mm Pistol replaced the .45 caliber Pistol just as I was leaving the Army. Believe me, one round from a .45 would have done more than wound the enemy soldier. Special Forces, Seals, Rangers, etc, and all those who engage in CQB (Close Quarters Battle) are being issued or buying their own .45s. There is an old addage: "Never go to a gun fight with a handgun that uses ammo that doesn't start with a "4".


This was written by the Brigade S-2 (Intelligence Officer) who is preparing the official report of the combat engagement this week by Military Police escorting a Convoy in Iraq when hit by an ambush. It was on the news Monday...but not in the detail the AAR depicts. I have included the AAR below...with comments and explanation of the acronyms that might not be clear...see those comments marked as *** at the end of the message.

There is little to add to the AAR. It is a testimony to the professionalism of the soldiers our army continues to field. Bear in mind as you read this, these are support troops, Military Police and Medics, who normally occupy rear areas and provide logistics and route security to tactical forces.

Here is one further comment that may explain why they were so successful...and deadly. [US military] doctrine and training teaches that, when ambushed, move directly into the ambush. Never away, always into it. Believe me, only highly trained and disciplined troops will do that. These are some remarkable soldiers. Their discipline and ability to use their weapons speaks volumes for the officers and NCO's who trained them.

Here's the link to the video taken from the insurgents. That's right, they were filming this one so we get to watch it: http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/006564.php
 

mack

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Wow, i didnt know the military used a 9mm round. I thought they were still using the .45 from vietnam. hm.

That is crazy how the medic picked up the rocket launcher and shot it at the building. Crazy. 24 people dead.
 

Discostu

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mack said:
Wow, i didnt know the military used a 9mm round. I thought they were still using the .45 from vietnam. hm.

That is crazy how the medic picked up the rocket launcher and shot it at the building. Crazy. 24 people dead.
Its not the .45 from Vietnam, its the .45 from 1911. The army requested a heavier round after the .38 performed poorly in the Phillipines following the spanish american war and the Colt 1911 was the result. This weapon was in service until it was replaced around '90 with the Beretta M9. Thats a loooong time for a weapon to stay in service, and as N8 said it was a poor decision to replace it. The only weapon to stay in service longer as far as I know is the ma deuce 50 cal, and thats on its way out I think, to be replaced by Mk19's and a new gun that accepts .50 and other larger explosive rounds.
 

Jayridesacove

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Speaking from what I know about my 4+ years experience in the Marines...

The .50 cal will not be replaced by the mk19, which is a 40mm machine gun(strange nomenclature for an automatic grenade launcher) . Both weapons systems are used as heavy weapons support in conjunction with rifle platoon's standard rifle men with m16s and their support counterparts using Saw's and 240golfs...
 

N8 v2.0

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From a military standpoint, the 9mm should only be issued to Air Force gate wavers on its installations within the USA...

:p
 

Andyman_1970

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Then why was it used (still used?) by some Spec Ops folks with the H&K MP5? I know for a time SEAL's used the Sig P228 in 9mm, but not sure if they still do since the advent of the USP.

Anyway, I know the .45 ACP has more knock down and understand how that round would be benificial in a CQB situation - I was just curious about that 9mm usage.
 

Discostu

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Jayridesacove said:
Speaking from what I know about my 4+ years experience in the Marines...

The .50 cal will not be replaced by the mk19, which is a 40mm machine gun(strange nomenclature for an automatic grenade launcher) . Both weapons systems are used as heavy weapons support in conjunction with rifle platoon's standard rifle men with m16s and their support counterparts using Saw's and 240golfs...
Oops you're right the .M2 will not be replaced by the MK19. My bad. Apparently the MK19 and M2 will be replaced by the M307, which fires either 25mm "smart shells" or .50 cal ammo. Here's a pic.

 

HarryCallahan

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Andyman_1970 said:
Then why was it used (still used?) by some Spec Ops folks with the H&K MP5? I know for a time SEAL's used the Sig P228 in 9mm, but not sure if they still do since the advent of the USP.

Anyway, I know the .45 ACP has more knock down and understand how that round would be benificial in a CQB situation - I was just curious about that 9mm usage.
I'm sure one of the vets could answer this better, but the MP5 isn't a pistol; it's a fully automatic submachine gun, with 30round magazine and a longer accurate range than a pistol. The silenced version of the MP5 is supposedly so quiet that even firing short bursts of auto fire, the loudest noise you hear is the bolt cycling.

You can't really compare the MP5 to either the .45 or a 9mm pistol in terms of intended usage.
 

Jayridesacove

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Discostu said:
Oops you're right the .M2 will not be replaced by the MK19. My bad. Apparently the MK19 and M2 will be replaced by the M307, which fires either 25mm "smart shells" or .50 cal ammo. Here's a pic.

The Army gets all the nice toys first, cause of their large budget. We'd probably see something like that like 5-10 after the Army starts using it.

Anyway...
I'd hate to be on the business end of that. Looks pretty mean.
 

Andyman_1970

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HarryCallahan said:
I'm sure one of the vets could answer this better, but the MP5 isn't a pistol; it's a fully automatic submachine gun, with 30round magazine and a longer accurate range than a pistol. The silenced version of the MP5 is supposedly so quiet that even firing short bursts of auto fire, the loudest noise you hear is the bolt cycling.

You can't really compare the MP5 to either the .45 or a 9mm pistol in terms of intended usage.
Yeah I was aware that the MP5 was a submachine gun, but in terms of stopping power the round does not change - which from what I have read is the biggest "beef" with the 9mm round is stopping power. I think the MP5SD which you refer to is best used with subsonic rounds which also reduces the projectile's kinetic energy.

Just to clarify I wasn't comparing intended usage as much as stopping power, and if it is such a handicap of the 9mm round why is it used by some Spec Op's units in the MP5. Granted accuracy is better with an MP5 but the stopping power should be the same.
 

HarryCallahan

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Andyman_1970 said:
Yeah I was aware that the MP5 was a submachine gun, but in terms of stopping power the round does not change - which from what I have read is the biggest "beef" with the 9mm round is stopping power. I think the MP5SD which you refer to is best used with subsonic rounds which also reduces the projectile's kinetic energy.

Just to clarify I wasn't comparing intended usage as much as stopping power, and if it is such a handicap of the 9mm round why is it used by some Spec Op's units in the MP5. Granted accuracy is better with an MP5 but the stopping power should be the same.
Well, spec ops uses it (the MP5) because it is compact, very reliable, very quiet, and very accurate. And the spec ops troops are very highly trained marksmen. Stopping power is not such a big issue when you put 2 or 3 rounds in the target's head.
 

Andyman_1970

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HarryCallahan said:
Well, spec ops uses it (the MP5) because it is compact, very reliable, very quiet, and very accurate. And the spec ops troops are very highly trained marksmen. Stopping power is not such a big issue when you put 2 or 3 rounds in the target's head.
Thanks......................
 

Discostu

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WTF is that?

Makes me think back to the days of the movie Roger Rabbit when the dudes has those bullets that talk.
Air bursting thermobaric rounds. I think the idea is you set a range at which the shells will explode in mid air above the target. Fires the 25mm thermobaric air bursting at 260 rounds per minute. I bet that would be pretty devastating.
 
The .50 caliber isnt going anywhere. That machine gun is one giant microchip that can break like any other piece of computer equipment. The Ma Duece can fall off a truck, get run over by that same truck, get picked up by the guys in the truck and still put out pain and misery to the bad guys.

Besides, I think we lost track of what this thread was about.