Originally posted by DßR
nasty! Looks just like a VP-free....
i think you just described Tina Turner....exept for the calender partOriginally posted by kidwoo
That pic looks like it needs a chick with a big hairspray mullet, a ripped up t-shirt and an m-16 standing next to it........on a calendar.
I always pictured her as more of an AK-47 type.........Originally posted by zedro
i think you just described Tina Turner....exept for the calender part
nopeOriginally posted by binary visions
Am I the only one who thinks that camo makes for a fugly paintjob?
Apparently you and I are the only ones without mullets and shotgun racks in our rusty pickup trucks...Originally posted by kidwoo
nope
I grew up in the deep south and fight it's influence with every fiber of my being.Originally posted by binary visions
Apparently you and I are the only ones without mullets and shotgun racks in our rusty pickup trucks...
:eviltongu EWWW silver. Thats nasty. I'll take camo please Now where did I set my chaw?Originally posted by Mike.rider
heres the silver one this has been floating around for some time now.
I don't have a mullet and I took the gun rack out of my truck, thank you very much!Originally posted by binary visions
Apparently you and I are the only ones without mullets and shotgun racks in our rusty pickup trucks...
Oh my god that was YOU who used to beat my ass when I was 13 skateboarding down the sidewalk!!! You were about 25 at the time..........and you DID have a mullet, shaved on the sides with shingles!!!Originally posted by jimmydean
I don't have a mullet and I took the gun rack out of my truck, thank you very much!
There is nothing wrong with a good woodland camo paint job
Hey now! I have never had a mullet. Nor would I ever beat down a fellow skater. When that truck is done, it will have nothing but old school punk screaming out the windows with my bike in the back on the way to the trail.Originally posted by kidwoo
Oh my god that was YOU who used to beat my ass when I was 13 skateboarding down the sidewalk!!! You were about 25 at the time..........and you DID have a mullet, shaved on the sides with shingles!!!
How's your girlfriend?,......."Missy" right?
Sorry man, displaced flashbacks. **twitch** twitch**Originally posted by jimmydean
Hey now! I have never had a mullet. Nor would I ever beat down a fellow skater. When that truck is done, it will have nothing but old school punk screaming out the windows with my bike in the back on the way to the trail.
Now if I could only get woodland camo to come out well in powder, I'd be happy...
Originally posted by Tully
I'm a little bit surprised that Intense has jumped so far into the whole VPP thing, especially As far as I know, they haven't done much race testing, especially with the M3. And I'm really surprised that they're even doing the V8--it looks exactly like the VP Free, which is probably way cheaper.
Yeah..... I think Intense's switch is more based on not coughing up $$ to Specialized for the FSR patent.Originally posted by kidwoo
Based on the intense bikes I've spent some time on (all fsr) the one nagging problem they all had was flexy rear ends.....just like all fsrs. ....
so now they fork over $$ to Santa Cruz for the VPP patent? or is it the other way around. If it is, and THEY hold the patent, then why do you have to sell your left nut to afford one of their bikes.........Originally posted by Zark
Yeah..... I think Intense's switch is more based on not coughing up $$ to Specialized for the FSR patent.
As I understood it they were "sharing" the patent. That way they could both develop designs based off the original idea with different bikes (that now seem to look nearly the same).Originally posted by Skookum
so now they fork over $$ to Santa Cruz for the VPP patent? or is it the other way around. If it is, and THEY hold the patent, then why do you have to sell your left nut to afford one of their bikes.........
Don't get offended. You and I both know they're flexy. I own and ride 3 of them regularly and happilyOriginally posted by Zark
Yeah.....
Santa Cruz bought the patent, so Intense must pay them.Originally posted by Skookum
so now they fork over $$ to Santa Cruz for the VPP patent? or is it the other way around. If it is, and THEY hold the patent, then why do you have to sell your left nut to afford one of their bikes.........
Santa Cruz and Intense have an "arrangement" of some kind. Santa Cruz owns the patent. SC has some lisence deal w/ Intense. I think its a lot less than Spec asks for its FSR patent, or free. I bet SC wanted Intense's help devloping the tech. to do VPP right.Originally posted by Skookum
so now they fork over $$ to Santa Cruz for the VPP patent? or is it the other way around. If it is, and THEY hold the patent, then why do you have to sell your left nut to afford one of their bikes.........
Dude, I'm not. I honestly think its the VPP hype and not paying for the FSR patent.Originally posted by kidwoo
Don't get offended. You and I both know they're flexy. I own and ride 3 of them regularly and happily
maybe because they wanted to get more travel out of it? the FSRs are pretty much limited to 8".Originally posted by Zark
Dude, I'm not. I honestly think its the VPP hype and not paying for the FSR patent.
FSR are flexy if your FAT maybe J/K
Really?Originally posted by zedro
maybe because they wanted to get more travel out of it? the FSRs are pretty much limited to 8".
I did put on a lot of weight this winter. I'm up to 165 now. I like the way fsr bikes climb and pedal regardless of shock or gearing and think the advantages there are worth the flex. But if you think about the contact point(s) at a horst link, you've really only got the washers/bearing interfaces holding the rear end together. It's not a lot of surface area. The sideload you get from turning or getting knocked around in bumps is pretty significant. Contrast that with either a solid rear end like a foes where you can have huge bearings, or parallelogram where the bearings are close together like a vpp (a true 4-bar system with more support for sideloads) and you've got a lot more leverage on the horst link way out there with the rear wheel.Originally posted by Zark
Dude, I'm not. I honestly think its the VPP hype and not paying for the FSR patent.
FSR are flexy if your FAT maybe J/K
You weigh the same as me The pedaling and braking sold me on the ride of FSR bikes. I've got a Tracer on the way, Woohoo!Originally posted by kidwoo
I did put on a lot of weight this winter. I'm up to 165 now. I like the way fsr bikes climb and pedal regardless of shock or gearing and think the advantages there are worth the flex. But if you think about the contact point(s) at a horst link, you've really only got the washers/bearing interfaces holding the rear end together. It's not a lot of surface area. The sideload you get from turning or getting knocked around in bumps is pretty significant. Contrast that with either a solid rear end like a foes, or parallelogram where the bearings are close together like a vpp and you've got a lot more leverage on the horst link way out there with the rear wheel.
Anyway, I like well made horst link bikes, I just think they're inherently flexy compared to some other systems.
:eviltongu
wordOriginally posted by Zark
On the whole a little flex isn't the worst thing in the world, bad pedaling or braking are IMO
I'm sorry in no way can 165 equal putting on alot of weight. Unless you're a midgetOriginally posted by kidwoo
I did put on a lot of weight this winter. I'm up to 165 now.
:eviltongu
I have down Tunnel. Good cornering bikes, very stiff. My hearing is still damaged from it though. He has an AC chainguide to make it extra noisyOriginally posted by kidwoo
word
Incidently, if you ever get a chance, ride a Foes DHS mono down something with a lot of rocky turns. It will change your ideas of "lateral stiffness".
Unfortunately it will also make you deaf.
Demo isnt the same design really, the Titus has a pretty long chainstay...thought the M1 was 8"...how long are the chainstays?Originally posted by Zark
Really?
My M1 is 9"
Demo is 9"
Titus Supermoto is 9"
2002 and later M1's are 9". I dunno exactly how long the chainstay is, but its adjustable. The bike doesn't have insanely long chainstays I don't think. 17-17.5"? Wheelbase is pretty reasonable too.Originally posted by zedro
thought the M1 was 8"...how long are the chainstays?
mainly the reason i said that was some frame designers pointed out the FSRs arent really optimized for really long travel.Originally posted by Zark
2002 and later M1's are 9". I dunno exactly how long the chainstay is, but its adjustable. The bike doesn't have insanely long chainstays I don't think. 17-17.5"? Wheelbase is pretty reasonable too.