D.O.C. Unveiled
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should be on the evil site shortly.
sweet. Wonder if it could be built into a burly do-it-all trail rig...hm...
Looks pretty cool. One thing that isn't mentioned - a big advantage of that dropout design is versatility. They could have SS dropouts, or bolt-on axle dropouts, or whatever. I wonder if they will be taking advantage of that versatility, or if everyone is stuck with a stupid derailleur hanger?
By the time I was done doing searches to make sure I wasn't going to be flamed, there'd already been four posts. My question probably been answered elsewhere, so I'm sure to be flamed regardless. Anyway, here goes:
Is that an internal headset mine eyes do detect?
I know a lot of BMX companies are headed that way to, but I have to ask why. The advent of deep insertion HS has significantly reduced the danger of ovalization. If you bugger your races on an internal HS, your frame's toast. I know Chris King has taken a pretty strong stance against them (probably partially b/c their proprietary HS/standard was DOA).
Of course, DW will probably right in to say "it's just an externally relieved headtube you oaf" and I'll slink away.
Is that an internal headset mine eyes do detect?
I know a lot of BMX companies are headed that way to, but I have to ask why. The advent of deep insertion HS has significantly reduced the danger of ovalization. If you bugger your races on an internal HS, your frame's toast. I know Chris King has taken a pretty strong stance against them (probably partially b/c their proprietary HS/standard was DOA).
Of course, DW will probably right in to say "it's just an externally relieved headtube you oaf" and I'll slink away.
yea, hurry up! damn motrealanadiansTranscend said:
Do not really fancy the design much...
Yo Meatboot
"it's just an externally relieved headtube you oaf"
hahaha
Im with you and Chris King. For a 20 inch BMX, with a lot shorter fork height etc, the internals may be OK for now, but I wont chance it on a big bike until i can build my own headsets.
FunkyMonk, the D.O.C. was literally designed to excel for Chris Donahue. In a given week, he rides in the skatepark, on the street, in the woods of the North Shore, and at the dirtjumps . It will make a ripper on the trails for sure!
"it's just an externally relieved headtube you oaf"
hahaha
Im with you and Chris King. For a 20 inch BMX, with a lot shorter fork height etc, the internals may be OK for now, but I wont chance it on a big bike until i can build my own headsets.
FunkyMonk, the D.O.C. was literally designed to excel for Chris Donahue. In a given week, he rides in the skatepark, on the street, in the woods of the North Shore, and at the dirtjumps . It will make a ripper on the trails for sure!
as you can see from PB - Acadians are much quicker!!BostonBullit said:yea, hurry up! damn motrealanadians
down boy, once i stop reading about central eastern europe's transition to democracy, i will be posting the info.BostonBullit said:yea, hurry up! damn motrealanadians
Thanks Echo,Echo said:
The dropouts are actually a new e.thirteen product. Several companies approached us after the tradeshow last year asking if they could "borrow" the design, so we struck up a deal. We invented a little "standard" of sorts, and we will introduce the dropouts at the 05 show. For 05, e.thirteen will offer different styles of dropouts that can bolt to several models of bikes. They will range from the 14mm vertical like found on the Imperial SL, to 10mm verticals in different chainstay lengths. For the Sovereign, there is even a 24" specific dropout for people wanting ot run 24" in back and 26" in front. It should be a lot of fun.
Dave
DW what's this bull**** about the frame retailling for $450 US? I don't believe it. Must be a typo. Is this thing welded by 
's or what? How is it so cheap?
Looks like I am going to be visiting the sperm bank a lot
's or what? How is it so cheap? Looks like I am going to be visiting the sperm bank a lot
Just what we needed: more Salami's.... Why don't you just ride your Fit a couple times!
Dave, any word on when/if the adapters for the SL are going to be done?dw said:
Thanks.
get that heavy duty leather mitt out and stroke yourself a new D.O.C. !!Salami said:Looks like I am going to be visiting the sperm bank a lot
Beautiful Frame!! Really nice to this kind of quality for 450$.
How much does it weight? and no ISCG mounts??
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How much does it weight? and no ISCG mounts??
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Im so pumped for this thing to get out on the market, i think a lot of companies in the hardtail market are going to have to do some thinking after it does...
Ive got a prototype sitting next to me right now, its just waiting parts
Ive got a prototype sitting next to me right now, its just waiting parts
what is the seat tube length on that bad boy? i like the big diameter for the long posts and want to know how well i can expect to sit and pedal on that bad boy when i buy one 
also, i could not tell from the pics i saw, but does that have ISCG mounts?
also, i could not tell from the pics i saw, but does that have ISCG mounts?
nope. That way you dont have to worry about breaking them off on sprocket stalls/grinds. Also out of the way for people that want to run SS.mandown said:
Why would they be in the way for single speed? And don't you do your stalls/grinds on your bashringPip3r said:
. I've tried doing grinds on my trials bike but as you can guess I didn't have a chain tensioner on the bike. The only think I can see busting the tabs off is if the lower pully arm caught on somthing and twisted them off.DW and the Evil crew, looks like you've got another winner. Can't wait to see one in person. Now if you'd only make one in orange I bet my wife wouldn't notice it in the garage. "oh no honey, that's my Imperial, I just washed it."
Any idea what the seat height would be on the long with a 410 or 367mm Thomson?
Any idea what the seat height would be on the long with a 410 or 367mm Thomson?
Unfortunately, that's exactly what happens all too often. I don't see how they'd get in the way of a single speed set up, but they offend the clean aesthetic usually achieved with a SS set up. I'm glad to see companies like Endless and Evil moving away from them.trialsmasta said:
scurban said:
dude your out of it, that is prob wholesale on it. Dont post those prices on the board... try much higher
So how is this bike so much cheaper than the Sovereign? I'm assuming it must be a less expensive Reynolds alloy - if it was high-end Dave would let you know about it lol. The DOC is missing the XX double dropout, but looks pretty similar otherwise. It looks to have every bit as much development/engineering into it, so I am still shocked at the price - in a good way! Congrats Evil on making a bike for the average joe! That's seriously awesome. You'd better plan some LARGE production runs!
this bike will not be USA made. that helps keep the cost down. they will also be making a lot more of these than they will their imps and sovs. more ya make and sell less it costs you per unit in the end. other than that i do not know how the cost is being kept downBulldog said:
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Pics and info are now on the evilbikes website.
Chill, Doss drives a beer truck (I think), he doesn't work at a shop. He got that price from the article...manhattanprjkt83 said:dude your out of it, that is prob wholesale on it. Dont post those prices on the board... try much higher
killer price, and imagine, endless charges 700 for their frames....doc is much sicker, and it is a real company not just middle men trying to get rich off of rich kids.Toshi said:
lord knows Marshalls bank account is soooo fat
Yes the DOC is sick but no need to knock Endless, they're selling the frames for what they can afford to, and I don't think they're striking it rich exactly...
Yes the DOC is sick but no need to knock Endless, they're selling the frames for what they can afford to, and I don't think they're striking it rich exactly...
and they defintiely ain't non-bike ridin' middle-aged, in-it-for-the-money, business menz neither.