BMX = amazing. This video is nuts. Mirras wallride, Woodward roof transfer, three whip to barspin...
http://www.dramabmx.com/trailer.html
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this vid makes pro 26" street riders looks like newbs.scurban said:notice how when Winklemann does the roof transfer, the drop in to the 2nd bowl is bigger the most drops guys in here are willing to do on their down hill bikes with 8" of suspension? BMX guys are so skilled! Mtbr's really need to step it up.
It's sorta sad how every 20" videa does that. Even the ones put out by kids.squarewheels said:this vid makes pro 26" street riders looks like newbs.
makes me want dust off my 20"
Yah that is mind blowing. The rail manual to rail is sick to. Almost all of those clips are amazing.The Kadvang said:My jaw is still on the floor from Mirra's walking whip wallride thingy... amazing.
Yeah the liteweight trend in bmx is getting nuts. People running 23-8 and no pegs...dexter said:its wheel size. there wheels get up to speed easier, have less rotating mass (360's and tailwhips etc are much much easier on a bmx bike), bar position i run my bars low as do most mtb street riders making it much harder to get back on the bike after tailwhips/no footed can can's unlike big ugly bmx bars. some local guys up her in missoula make there own frames called vandal bmx and run no brakes small drivetrain etc et c and there bikes weight like 24 lbs or something crazy
but the best part is, the bikes are still strong.dromond said:Yeah the liteweight trend in bmx is getting nuts. People running 23-8 and no pegs...
This is sort of true. A lot of the parts people are putting on their freestyle bikes are in fact straight up race parts. i.e. Odyssey RACE forks. I would agree that the bikes are still plenty strong. Heck I run a race fork, alu seatpost, lite pegs, etc.pnj said:but the best part is, the bikes are still strong.
years ago, a light bike was a race bike and would not hold up to being bashed on. to be able to have a bike that is in the high 20's and still strong or stronger then bikes in the past is awsome.
Its part the acceleration of the wheelset, but more importantly the reduced rotating mass. It makes the bike lighter feeling once its in the air, but more importantly has less inertia and momentum (I hope I'm explaining this right) to overcome. It is similar to how a large displacement mx bike can't be whipped around as easily as a smaller one. Part of it is the overall weight of the bike, but speed and more time in the air could compensate for that. The bigger issue is that bigger flywheel/piston/rod spinning. Even though the rotating assembly doesn't know if its pointing up/down/sideways or whatever, when you change its orrientation to the earth, it has an effect. So when you compare the energy of a 20" rim spinning at X rpm, vs the energy of same weight 26" rim spinning at the same rpm, the 26" rim is exerting more force (I know my use of terms probably isn't correct from a physics standpoint). Not to mention the fact that I don't know of many 26" wheelsets with a good tire that you would use for DJing, that would end up weighing in at the same as a 20" dj deal.dexter said:its wheel size. there wheels get up to speed easier, have less rotating mass (360's and tailwhips etc are much much easier on a bmx bike)
dude, i think im off MTB. Right on.flat broke said:Its part the acceleration of the wheelset, but more importantly the reduced rotating mass. It makes the bike lighter feeling once its in the air, but more importantly has less inertia and momentum (I hope I'm explaining this right) to overcome. It is similar to how a large displacement mx bike can't be whipped around as easily as a smaller one. Part of it is the overall weight of the bike, but speed and more time in the air could compensate for that. The bigger issue is that bigger flywheel/piston/rod spinning. Even though the rotating assembly doesn't know if its pointing up/down/sideways or whatever, when you change its orrientation to the earth, it has an effect. So when you compare the energy of a 20" rim spinning at X rpm, vs the energy of same weight 26" rim spinning at the same rpm, the 26" rim is exerting more force (I know my use of terms probably isn't correct from a physics standpoint). Not to mention the fact that I don't know of many 26" wheelsets with a good tire that you would use for DJing, that would end up weighing in at the same as a 20" dj deal.
I guess you could use one of those little gyro wrist exercise deals as an example too. Get one of those things humming along and notice how it requires effort to change the orrientation of the spinning rotor to the earth.
All that crap asside, the biggest difference is cost, overall age of guys busting moves on 20"s vs 24/26"s and the culture itself. The AVERAGE age of guys busting those moves is maybe 18-19yrs old? Their bodies are providing better power to weight ratios, they're motor skills and coordination are just about at their peak, they don't have some of the consequences of packing hard and not being able to work for a week, month etc. Their bikes cost less which removes a barrier of entry, resulting in more potential riders, and even if the badass to average-joe ratio was the same between 20" and MTB, they'd win through attrition. Then use those numbers and figure that the tricks are going to progress faster because their is a larger talent pool pushing the envelope. Next there is the culture; rRespect is earned not given, and the best way to earn it is to throw down the newest stuff. Combine that with the fact that the guys ridding 20"s on average have far more free time than the guys riding mtb stuff for DJ, and you have all the reasons you could ever need why the 20" guys kick more ass.
Remember, most of these kids start ripping early (jumping curbs, bunnyhoping, etc are all mastered by your average 8-10yr old), they learn on 20" and because they can only ride where they can get to on their 20", it typically means that they won't be looking for an MTB based ride to tackle downhills. It goes back to roots. Most kids aren't going to have MTB related roots, they grew up on 20" bikes, and if they stay with ridding, they'll probably keep ridding 20" bikes unless the only ridding spots they can find require a gearset to get to. Its the only reason I strayed from my 20", and look at me now. A fat bastard, 30yr old who works waaaaaaay more than he rides, and who's number one priority is to build a hardtail rig that feels like a 20" bike.
A strange little circle we've traveled,
Chris
fuzzynutz said:question: How much does a typical BMX like the one's they're riding weigh?