BeerDemon said:
Flag Burning
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Too bad that even our president doesn't know crap about flag desecration.
Doh!
Doh!
I wonder who said this:alta01 said:
Oh that's right.
My friends were at a super party, lots of art bands playing. The singer from one of them was about to burn a flag when one of my buddies, who happened to be in a frat, jumped on stage and yanked it out of his hand. There was a huge fight over the whole thing, but he did save our flag from the fire...
Personally speaking I would rath er see people burn a flag in protest, than let the one on the bag of their car rot in apathy.
The right to burn our flag is precisely what makes it great.
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I want to explain further, but there should be no need.
I believe that this should be the end of this thread, but I will
continue the discussion if necessary for anyone who cannot
understand this simple truth.
Pop quiz to all the Southerners: If you wrap a black man who has had sex with a white woman in a flag and light the flag on fire, would you still consider that desecration of the flag?
Or is it better to go to Home Depot and buy some chain so you can drag the man to death behind your pickup while waving the unburnt flag out the window?
Man, this is complicated stuff...I better go see what it says in the Bible...
Or is it better to go to Home Depot and buy some chain so you can drag the man to death behind your pickup while waving the unburnt flag out the window?
Man, this is complicated stuff...I better go see what it says in the Bible...
N8 said:
And what if someone put out the fire by pissing on it?
My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr., Speech in Detroit, 7 Oct. 1952
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation to tolerate speech.
Justice Anthony Kennedy
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr., Speech in Detroit, 7 Oct. 1952
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation to tolerate speech.
Justice Anthony Kennedy
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
Voltaire
Patriotism is a wierd thing. Im not one to really believe in symbolism much, but anyone who can look at the picture of the Marines atop Mt. Suribachi raising the US flag and still feel like burning one is just a peice of sh!t. Plain and simple. So while I dont feel like the burning of the flag should be illegal, I do have a very low opinion of people who do it, becuase they're thoughtless idiots who only crave attention.
Personally I'd perfer it if folks just burnt McDonalds stores instead..... Still an iconic american symbol, but at least unlike a flag, burning it down would also do the public good by reducing the flow of crappy unhealthy food to the populace. 
In regards to your "try doing it in another country", not many other (Read: none) developed nations harbor the same Nationalistic (You know, Nazi) sentiments our backwards little neck of the woods does...
Btw, the moron who proposed this before the Senate is a senile Mormon from Utah, our very own Orrin Hatch. Same guy who proposed blowing up people's computers (literally) for filesharing, among other boneheaded moves.
Vote Ashdown (Proprietor of Xmission.com, host of Maddox) and get this idiot out of the Senate.
Btw, the moron who proposed this before the Senate is a senile Mormon from Utah, our very own Orrin Hatch. Same guy who proposed blowing up people's computers (literally) for filesharing, among other boneheaded moves.
Vote Ashdown (Proprietor of Xmission.com, host of Maddox) and get this idiot out of the Senate.
DaveW said:Personally I'd perfer it if folks just burnt McDonalds stores instead..... Still an iconic american symbol, but at least unlike a flag, burning it down would also do the public good by reducing the flow of crappy unhealthy food to the populace.
Good idea!
I was gonna put in some opinion here but I think its a lost cause. So instead I would like to nominate this for best thread ever.
I would also like to nominate Alta01 for "Best First 10 posts Ever" award. Way to bust on the scene! These colors don't run!
I would also like to nominate Alta01 for "Best First 10 posts Ever" award. Way to bust on the scene! These colors don't run!
Strange?
This thread shows on my computer as only 2 pages long........
This thread shows on my computer as only 2 pages long........
I don't know about that. I know in Australia there was recently a brouhaha about flag burning. I think the general consensus was it wasn't worth getting our knickers in a knot over and it remains legal. (assuming it's not burnt on a fire-ban day)blue said:
Blue, exactly what other countries have you been to that you would claim to even know that? Everyone's got their rednecks. EVERYONE.
everyone loves a good flag burning
To the submitter of this thread:
"Turn off the Sean Hannity show and slowly back away from the radio......."
Personally I think the whole episode was a waste of time. One of the great burdens of freedom is having to endure the exercising of it by others.
"Turn off the Sean Hannity show and slowly back away from the radio......."
Personally I think the whole episode was a waste of time. One of the great burdens of freedom is having to endure the exercising of it by others.
Let me rephrase what I said:
Most other developed nations do not have such a high retard to non-retard ratio going on. Better?
Steve, go **** yourself, and contribute something worthwhile.
Most other developed nations do not have such a high retard to non-retard ratio going on. Better?
Steve, go **** yourself, and contribute something worthwhile.
blue said:
Ironic that the above statement would come from blue
blue said:
Actually I'd say the retard to non-retard rate would be roughly the same world wide... Other cultures are just less inclined to place their idiots on a pedestal.
For all his bombast and redneck hyperbole One line of Tom Clancys rings true to me.....
I would not do it myself, but it does make a statement. I also think there are far greater issues in this country to worry about right now.
You could burn a British flag in Britain and probably be ignored. (I've seen it done.)BurlyShirley said:
I saw a clip of a reality TV show a couple of years back where they had groups of US, German, British and Japanese people in a hotel complex with various events to compare cultures. One of these events was an unannounced burning of the respective national flag. The only nation to get really upset (to the point of violence) was the US. The Japanese were quite vocal, as were the Germans. The British simply shrugged and walked away.
Having not burnt flags in any nation I know no more about it.
Including the free speech of burning the flag. Are you seriously going to say that people died for our freedoms so we shouldn't exercise them? That would make their deaths in vain.alta01 said:
Oh, and BTW, we also let you spew your naziesque, facistic garbage about taking away all our rights.
And, you want to hold the US to their standard, or you want to hold the US to a higher standard?
Being upset enough to torch a flag does not necessarily mean that the person doing it hates this country. They may be trying to demonstrate to wake people up and improve the country. There are many things that I dislike that our country is currently doing, but I do not hate my country. I would like to see it improve itself and become an even greater country.
Don't presume to know when and where I grew up or how I feel about the flag. Just because I stand up for the rights of others does not necessarily mean that I endorse that view. Case in point is that I think you have the right to spew your nonsense.
This is just plain indefensible. You probably don't know anyone who has burned a flag, so how could you make blanket statements?
Of course, flag burning (as Chang pointed out) is just a diversion from all the other problems. Gay marriage is another one. Every time there's an election, these "problems" come up. It's sad that there are people like alta here who eat this sh*t up.
You honor me sir. Hope I lived up to the hype.BeerDemon said:
Old Man G Funk said:
No one ever lives up to the hype.
Just try to skim as much cash as you can, then leg it!
Just for the record, being proud of ones nation and wanting to do well (read Nationalistic) doesnt necesarrily equate to fascism. I know you all LOVE the nazi comparisons, but quit being idiots.
I hate posting two throw away joke lines in a row in one thread but.....
I will when you will Burly......
I will when you will Burly......
DaveW said:
Im pretty sure it's "Backalackadacka St." fella.
*meh* I was pissed when I saw the movie..... and I hear with a different accent to you. 
Fixed
Ok bottle of wine is finished as am I, so as it's 1:30 am I'm going to bed, G'night all!
Ok bottle of wine is finished as am I, so as it's 1:30 am I'm going to bed, G'night all!
There was no accent from the characters in that movie.DaveW said:*meh* I was pissed when I saw the movie..... and I hear with a different accent to you.
They spoke good ole' Merican! Except the part where Juan Valdez says
NO ME GUSTA!!!!!!!