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Forbidden Dreadnought...what y'all think?

ChrisRobin

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Don't really need a new frame, but their black Friday deal is pretty awesome and I've always to try a high pivot bike.

The 1280-something wheel base worries me a little. Otherwise, it looks like you can order it with a 27.5 rear wheel in mind (since that's what I have) and Cascade Components have a cool upgrade link for later on.

Anyone have one?
 
Redwood Mulch Chucker

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Dreadnought + Cascade link = 47% progression for the mullet version.
That is gnarly bro! :rockout:

That's all I've got. Don't have one, never ridden one.

I think they are on sale because there is a new version coming out with the inverted 4 bar design like the current Druid.
No more single pivot.
 
Gary

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No.
Built a, few. Have ridden one.
That's all I've got

Disclaimer : I don't live in Cali tho.
 
Inclag

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Someone ripping in one of the top classes at the US Open had a Forbidden single pivot something. Saw him need to pull over to deal with drivetrain/idler issues. He did not seemed stoked and I got the sense that he'd experience past issues with the bike based on his grumblings.

No personal experience riding one myself, but the whole ordeal and moaning left an impression on me.
 
toodles

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The one I rode was alright, wasn't as different to normal bikes as I expected, but I only did one lap and wasn't taking risks due to the horrible brakes. Finish quality on the frame was nice too.

They're certainly not holding anyone back. The couple of local pinners here that have them do very well.
 
djjohnr

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+30mm chainstay growth is a lot, and the chainstays are already 446mm as it is on a large. I haven't ridden one, but based on my experience with the two mid-high pivot bikes I own I wouldn't buy one without a thorough demo first to make sure I could get along with it.
 
ChrisRobin

ChrisRobin

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Yup. The current bike can be adjusted between 1268 or 1283. I'd have to try the longer setting again since it's been a while, but I remember not being able to climb around certain tight corners all that well. That's my only real concern.
 
Inclag

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kidwoo said:
that guy doesn't even stick his elbows out



needs coaching like toodles
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Tangent... I saved this pic from the new Ibis HD6 release from October.

I debated posting as not wanting to be considered mean spirited or judgemental.

Behold....perfection.

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Sandwich

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I hate to agree with Kidwoo, but it wasn't until I was able to actually corner when I learned of a high pivot's shortcomings. I think they make terrific downhill bikes (not bike park bermland trails) but when those stays lengthen on hard corners, or you have to pull up, they really start to get weird. I love weird shit, but I don't think I'm after a high pivot trail bike....I think regular bikes have gotten too good to go that route and get any benefit.

I will say I disagreed with @HAB's thoughts on braking. When I rode my morewood, I loved the way it braked- packing up under bumps, slackening out the head angle...it made things sketchy and fun (and fast).
 
kidwoo

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Sandwich said:
I hate to agree with Kidwoo, but it wasn't until I was able to actually corner when I learned of a high pivot's shortcomings. I think they make terrific downhill bikes (not bike park bermland trails) but when those stays lengthen on hard corners, or you have to pull up, they really start to get weird. I love weird shit, but I don't think I'm after a high pivot trail bike....I think regular bikes have gotten too good to go that route and get any benefit.

I will say I disagreed with @HAB's thoughts on braking. When I rode my morewood, I loved the way it braked- packing up under bumps, slackening out the head angle...it made things sketchy and fun (and fast).
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Just fyi, in addition to always being right, I hold my elbows out way farther than HAB too.
 
HAB

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kidwoo said:
Just fyi, in addition to always being right, I hold my elbows out way farther than HAB too.
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I think I ended up with elbows extra tucked on that bike in part because of the mid-corner rearward weight shifts I had to do as the suspension loaded up - they were easier to time right that way somehow. I don't go full condor like Lee but I don't normally look like that photo you grabbed either.
 
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HAB said:
I think I ended up with elbows extra tucked on that bike in part because of the mid-corner rearward weight shifts I had to do as the suspension loaded up - they were easier to time right that way somehow. I don't go full condor like Lee but I don't normally look like that photo you grabbed either.
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good plan

go with it



.........currently clicking your name on blistergearreview.com to look for pics on other bikes






;)
 
buckoW

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Redwood Mulch Chucker said:
Dreadnought + Cascade link = 47% progression for the mullet version.
That is gnarly bro! :rockout:

That's all I've got. Don't have one, never ridden one.
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Most of the progression is at end stroke so it shouldn’t feel like 47%. It probably won’t ride as progressive as the total progression number suggests. It doesn’t have the bucket in the middle that might make it feel like it’s too progressive either.

3:1 starting is pretty decent for most shocks too. I’m more curious if a below 2:1 ratio at end stroke could cause a deep stroke rebound hang up.

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bullcrew

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kidwoo said:
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WTF ..I didn't get a Buttcoin!!!!

As far as the forbidden no trail time but I did get on one at buddies shop they offered a frame up for running it and NOPE!!!

It digs corners and lays over really well, BUT that rear tire chews at the chainstay extremely bad..I flexed that bike way too easily..
Told him if the redo rear triangle I'd grab one and ride it.. but as it sits not a chance, I'd break that rear end sooner than later...

It did feel good , and based on it and square edge it seems to push over stuff. Pedalling was decent and definitely rearward...a decent design but probably has a few items to iron out.

I'd try one of the build it beefier, but I like to ride different stuff and see what they are about .
 
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Setting aside the dynamics of a high pivot bike that I don’t particularly enjoy, which, is very much user preference; The idler on the high tension side of the chain will very nearly double the drag of the drivetrain. That makes a high pivot trail bike a non-starter for me.
 
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fwp

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If anyone listens to the Blister Podcast Bikes and Big ideas its not a bad listen.
The one with Jordi from fox was gold, Jordy basically told him that he doesn't know what he's talking about as far as suspension and bike setup in general. I give the guy credit for posting the podcast after Jordy politely tore him apart.
 
kidwoo

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fwp said:
If anyone listens to the Blister Podcast Bikes and Big ideas its not a bad listen.
The one with Jordi from fox was gold, Jordy basically told him that he doesn't know what he's talking about as far as suspension and bike setup in general. I give the guy credit for posting the podcast after Jordy politely tore him apart.
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the guy who rides with the weak elbows?
 
HAB

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fwp said:
If anyone listens to the Blister Podcast Bikes and Big ideas its not a bad listen.
The one with Jordi from fox was gold, Jordy basically told him that he doesn't know what he's talking about as far as suspension and bike setup in general. I give the guy credit for posting the podcast after Jordy politely tore him apart.
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To be clear, that's me.

That one was a few years ago, but I only really remember Jordi saying he doesn't like trail bikes as slack as the Nicolai that I was riding at the time. I don't think we even talked about my approach to suspension setup at all, I just asked questions about his.
 
jonKranked

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HAB said:
To be clear, that's me.

That one was a few years ago, but I only really remember Jordi saying he doesn't like trail bikes as slack as the Nicolai that I was riding at the time. I don't think we even talked about my approach to suspension setup at all, I just asked questions about his.
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in all fairness the only difference between you and kooks like chris porter is about 25° of seat angle

:D
 
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buckoW said:
Most of the progression is at end stroke so it shouldn’t feel like 47%. It probably won’t ride as progressive as the total progression number suggests. It doesn’t have the bucket in the middle that might make it feel like it’s too progressive either.

3:1 starting is pretty decent for most shocks too. I’m more curious if a below 2:1 ratio at end stroke could cause a deep stroke rebound hang up.

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One would hope that the shock is valved digressive in rebound or at the very least linear, but you never know these days is progressive rebound damping is the new fad.
 
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HAB said:
To be clear, that's me.

That one was a few years ago, but I only really remember Jordi saying he doesn't like trail bikes as slack as the Nicolai that I was riding at the time. I don't think we even talked about my approach to suspension setup at all, I just asked questions about his.
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Him questioning your implied benefits of lowered DH forks and super long slack trail bikes. Thats all I meant.
 
kidwoo

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fwp said:
On the podcast guys trailbike, yes
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I was making a joke. Anyone familiar with those things on a dh bike, which he obviously is, shouldn't have to question obvious things like making a trailbike work more like a dh specific bike.

My guess is he lives in scotts valley california, has some pretty justified ideas of what constitutes a 'trailbike' for there, based primarily on that kind of terrain

HAB lives in steepsville. His bike setup makes perfect sense for that stuff. Because a lot of it is comparable to what anyone in california would consider a 'dh trail'. And a lot of it is accessed by pedaling up roads, not rolling dork friendly cycling singletrack.


EDIT: I've just been informed that this is exactly what jordi says in the podcast :rofl:
 
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