I have a ChrisKing headset, but I am also getting a DHR

S.K.C. · Jun 5, 2006

If you have a CrissKing headset, someone ripped you off man... probably the same guy who sells Rolax watches...

Yes, there was talk at one point of Chris King making a 1.5 headset, but like a lot of what Chris King says about product development, it could take at LEAST another 80 years. For real.

I would try looking around chainreaction.com in the U.K. - I think they have a reducer system for sale over there that allows you to use a King headset.

If not, then go with the traditional e13/FSA Orbit deal.

Hope this helps.

black noise · Jun 5, 2006

I have the reducer cups with a King and it's fine. Unless you get a 1.5 fork, reducer cups will be your best option.

edit: they're some random cheap reducer cups, not the e13 ones, but they work fine.

davep · Jun 6, 2006

Your king hs will not fit in the e-13 reducers, they are for 'is' standard internal headset bearings. If you want a low front, drop the king and get the e-13 set up, the stack height will be ~6mm. FSA makes a det of 1.5 to 1 1/8 reducers that will work with the king but your stack height will be large.

buildyourown · Jun 6, 2006

e13 cups are not reducers.
FSA and others make simple reducing "bushings" that allow you to run your regular HS in a 1.5 HT. The issue with these is that your stack height gets really tall.
Either live with the stack height or get the e13 cups. The e13 route really is the cleanest way to go. It's cheap, it's low, and the replacement bearings are plentiful and cheap. Don't try it with a DH40 though. The combo of the DHR/e13/DH40 means a dented DT.

redical · Jun 6, 2006

black noise said:
I have the reducer cups with a King and it's fine. Unless you get a 1.5 fork, reducer cups will be your best option.

edit: they're some random cheap reducer cups, not the e13 ones, but they work fine.

I have the same set-up on the Highline I jsut got. Looks funky but it works.

big-ted · Jun 6, 2006

Cane Creek Double XC flush?

Personally, I don't get all these reducer kits. Half the benefit of 1.5 comes from being able to use bigger bearings in the headset. The Cane Creek is Chris King smooth, and I'm amazed by the performance of the seals. Pretty much zero stack height too...

FSA do something similar I think.

kidwoo · Jun 6, 2006

big-ted said:
Cane Creek Double XC flush?

Personally, I don't get all these reducer kits. Half the benefit of 1.5 comes from being able to use bigger bearings in the headset. The Cane Creek is Chris King smooth, and I'm amazed by the performance of the seals. Pretty much zero stack height too...

FSA do something similar I think.

Yup.

CC and FSA make really low stack, reducing headsets now. Stacking a chris king in some standard reducers is both ugly and puts your handlebars really high.

I've got e-13 reducers on my dhr and my uzzi, but if I had to start fresh, I'd get one of the cc or fsa headsets.

black noise · Jun 6, 2006

redical said:
I have the same set-up on the Highline I jsut got. Looks funky but it works.

Yeah, but it doesn't even look that funky. It's only ~10mm taller stack height which is seriously not noticable unless you're anal about height, and you probably run a riser bar anyway.

The cheap cups will be your cheapest option. $40 or so plus installation and you get to keep your King. Not like this kid is frugal or anything...

AR_ · Jun 6, 2006

I'm running some reducer cups an a CK in my DHR. Simple enough, works well enough, front end is sturdy, tad higher, but nothing drastic.

Bacardi · Jun 6, 2006

Get a deep press 1.5 headset, and never worry about it ever:
http://go-ride.com/prod_headsets.html#onefive
1.5s from $31.50 to $89

Reducers and installation will cost nearly just as much as a 1.5 HS. FSA headsets are sealed well and smooth running.

I would be more concerned with suspension tuning on my DH bike than whether or not I have 'neat' HS.

punkassean · Jun 7, 2006

Zach, I already told you all you need is either the cane creek flush or the generic reducers and your king.

buildyourown · Jun 7, 2006

zmtber said:
sorry to sound like an idiot but i am confused, so all i need is E13
cups plus CK and it will work, cost=40 bucks.

or is it CK+E13+FSA Orbit IS

plus getting a new CC 1.5 headset wouldn't work with my 1 1/8 boxxer wc fork correct?

Option 1:
CK headset w/ FSA reducers

Option 2: (my setup on my DHR and rail)
e13 cups with a cane creek integrated headset

Option 3:
Cane Creek Double flush XC
(I ran this for awhile but I found it to be a piece of junk. Apparantly, I'm the minority)

davep · Jun 7, 2006

First of all, all of this info is on each respective comanies website so you could just go and answer your own questions but....

e-13 cups only work with IS headsets, they are a 'cup for the IS bearings to press into

Reducers do just that, they reduce your head tube size so that you could run any standard (1 1/8) headset

cane creek(double xc, double xc flush) and FSA(orbit extreme pro 1.5R, orbit Z 1.5R) can be used all by them selves for your aplication as they are a reducing headset.

Got it??

p.s. i am with B.Y.O. my cane creek did not last long (maybe it is a Seattle thing..)

DHS · Jun 7, 2006

buildyourown said:
Option 1:
CK headset w/ FSA reducers

Option 2: (my setup on my DHR and rail)
e13 cups with a cane creek integrated headset

Option 3:
Cane Creek Double flush XC
(I ran this for awhile but I found it to be a piece of junk. Apparantly, I'm the minority)

option 3 is worthless. i'd go with #2. and sell the king... or buy another bike to run the king

maxyedor · Jun 7, 2006

DHS said:
option 3 is worthless. i'd go with #2. and sell the king... or buy another bike to run the king

Agreed, the Cane Creaks do jsut that they creak, they break and they generaly suck! Get the FSA either the cheap or the expensive one, they will last you a lifetime, plush you get the big bearings that will own your King. They make an actual reducer headset with reduction races that is the siht.

Cave Dweller · Jun 7, 2006

2 years with no problems with my cane creek head set.

How about option (4)
Get someone to machine up some cups and put the chris king bearings in? After all, the best thing about the kings is the bearings, the rest is just aluminum holding it in and is nothing special.

Bicyclist · Jun 7, 2006

Don't do that. Your front end will be extremely high. I run a King too but it's not worth a tall front end so your bike will say King. Get a reducer HS or the e13 cups.

Bicyclist · Jun 7, 2006

1 for sure.

davep · Jun 7, 2006

yes do it!

Cave Dweller · Jun 7, 2006

zmtber said:
so this is what i am thinking about doing lets just het your votes on this

1) e13 plus a IS canecreek headset lor FSA Orbit IS

2) other generic reducers plus king

3) and converting headset either the FSA or Canecreek (or other)

More info needed.

Also depends on the bike / fork combination.

On my turner i run 7inch forks, so to slacken the head angle i run a normal cancreek double XC 1.5>1 1/8 reducer on the bottom, then to lower the handle bar i run an e13 cup on top, i use no spacers, flat crown and 1inch rise bar to get it as low as possible as thats how i like it.

It all depends on what you want to acheive.

Say for example you run 2 inch rise bars, is there any point in getting the flatest cups / stack height? I think not, you could just use the chris king and run a 1.5inch rise bar and get the same effect.

How about you tell us

1. What fork you are going to run
2. What rise handle bar you use
3. What type of rise stem do you use
4. How many spacers do you use

Tell us about how you had your last bike setup and if you liked the way it felt.

Bicyclist · Jun 7, 2006

His old bike was an ogre in the front, but I think lower setup is usually a good thing w/ today's 8" forks.

redical · Jun 7, 2006

Bicyclist said:
Don't do that. Your front end will be extremely high. I run a King too but it's not worth a tall front end so your bike will say King. Get a reducer HS or the e13 cups.

Not any higher than a normal 1 1/8" headset set-up on a normal bike:

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156860

Red Bull · Jun 7, 2006

congrats, youve actually asked a good question

My cane creek double xc has been holding up pretty well so far...

xy9ine · Jun 7, 2006

Red Bull said:
congrats, youve actually asked a good question

My cane creek double xc has been holding up pretty well so far...

i've got about 8 months on mine; it's been mint so far.

Cave Dweller · Jun 7, 2006

zmtber, 8inch boxxer or 7inch boxxer?

If its an 8inch fork get the flush lower cups like made by e13, FSA and cane creek.

If you run the flush cups you will need a flat crown for the boxxers otherwise you end up running 1 1/2 inch of spacers so the crown clears the frame.

Only you can determine how you like your bike set up.

Like i said, my bike is super low at the front, some people say it feels like an XC bike, i ride with a guy who rides with 8inch 888's with the high rise clamps, 2 inch rise bar, 1inch of spacers, 45 degree rise stem. I think it feels crap but he loves it.

Bicyclist · Jun 7, 2006

Maybe try some Easton EA70 low rise bars.

Wordbiker · Jun 7, 2006

I have the same 1.5"-1-1/8" situation, and I have a Woodman Saturn Solution on order. I'll give an impression once it comes in.

I have a ChrisKing headset, but I am also getting a DHR

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