thc.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Cant you already buy hemp shoes and necklaces and friendship bracelets?
Im curious as to how this hemp differs from the illegal kind. Seriously.
Hemp material is legal.Originally posted by LoboDelFuego
Wait...it's not legal? The filler (between the two layers of cloth) of my fencing jacket says it is made of hemp....but it does'nt have any warnings on it or anything?
You'd have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole and the only buzz you'd catch would be headache.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Cant you already buy hemp shoes and necklaces and friendship bracelets?
Im curious as to how this hemp differs from the illegal kind. Seriously.
From a farmers point of view........Originally posted by Sideways
Having a background in composites engineering and having grown up on construction sits, I would love to have a part in developing hemp composites as an alternative building material.
Hemp fiber has a lot of the material properties that composites demand.
Composites products made from hemp fiber could be used as a direct replacement for solid wood and fiber board products at a fraction of the cost while offering greater quality, performance, and durability.
It's a shame that hemp based products compete directly with some powerful industries.
From a chemical company point of view:Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
From a farmers point of view........
Hemp grows fast, really fast. You could almost pull off three crops a year with the right weather.
It takes virtually nothing from the soil yet dumps valuable nitrogen in the ground (N is critical for a good corn crop). Used in rotation with corn and beans, you give your soil a break, put in nitrogen and........
Hemp is a deep rooting plant, which when it deteriorates, it leaves voids, which is the idea behind a deep field ripper. Field ripping takes MASSIVE amounts of fuel, about a gallon per acre. With a deep rooting plant, you eliminate the cost of ripping (and the pollution that goes along with it). This goes along with Sideways' idea that the oil companies would be the biggest loosers if hemp were legalized.
Most pests don't go after hemp, eliminating the use of pesticides. Because hemp grows fast, it towers over weeds and the like, robbing weeds of sunlight, eliminating the need for herbicides.
Take the numerous amounts of uses for hemp and the incentives for farmers.......why shouldn't we legalize hemp?
Originally posted by Sideways
From a chemical company point of view:
Loss of pesticide sales, loss of fertilizer sales, reduced need for genetically engineered cotton seed.
From a foresting company point of view:
The cost of clear cutting national forests is not recoverable, as the competition from hemp makes foresting non-competitive.
From an oil company point of view:
Major revenue loss from all divisions.
From a beer company point of view:
Loss of sales to a less harmfull competeing product.
Thats a pretty short sighted comment. Unless you drop your prejudice to hemp, you probably wont allow yourself to find about the material properties of hemp, nor the nutritional value of hemp seed oil.Originally posted by BurlySurly
From a common sense point of view:
While the by-products of hemp appear to be quite useful, it's easy to see through the thinly vailed aspirations of people who just want to get high with less of a hassle.
Im sorry, perhaps you should re-read my last post.Originally posted by Sideways
Thats a pretty short sighted comment. Unless you drop your prejudice to hemp, you probably wont allow yourself to find about the material properties of hemp, nor the nutritional value of hemp seed oil.
It's the veil of anti-drug propaganda that the aforementioned competing industries hide behind.
"appears useful" is a drastic understatement.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Im sorry, perhaps you should re-read my last post.
I think i said it "appears useful" It may very well be useful, but that's obviously not what most pro-hemp people are concerned about.
... common sense has nothing to do with your point of view.Originally posted by BurlySurly
From a common sense point of view:
While the by-products of hemp appear to be quite useful, it's easy to see through the thinly vailed aspirations of people who just want to get high with less of a hassle.
Wow,Originally posted by slein
... common sense has nothing to do with your point of view.
and thinly vailed (sic) aspirations????
ever heard of sustainable development? ever heard of the people (ie the big fat rich white man) making oodles of money damaging the environment? go ahead and have your economy... kill everybody and everything else in the mean time.
you make me laugh. <- see???
getting high has nothing to do with it BS. i'm sure you know that, but had to say it anyway to get another post. i smoke MJ not because of hemp, but for other reasons (if any).
i'll bet you'll start talking about wasted human potential or cancer or some other nonsense.
Fair nough that most people learn about the qualities of hemp from pot-smoking friends and pot-legalization advocates, but it's pretty unfair to condemn facts because you have a mostly unrelated disagreement with the source.Originally posted by BurlySurly
you like to get high. Just like most of these other guys.
How many times do I need to state this?Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
You'd have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole and the only buzz you'd catch would be headache.
Until you realize that no one cares.Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
How many times do I need to state this?
Realizing all of this, i think what i initially said still holds true.Originally posted by ohio
Fair nough that most people learn about the qualities of hemp from pot-smoking friends and pot-legalization advocates, but it's pretty unfair to condemn facts because you have a mostly unrelated disagreement with the source.
Hemp and Marijauna are two different plants. I don't see anyone outlawing the prickly pear because of the peyote cactus. They look similar, but are not.
Ask your superiors about the qualities of Hemp. The US Armed forces were one of the primary consumers of hemp products before cotton lobbies took over.
We allow millions of housewives to grow poppies in their gardens every year and that's a plant that ACTUALLY produces an extremely dangerous drug, yet we outlaw a plant that is not only socially harmless but economically and environmentally beneficial.
Un-oh, a Marine just told me to shut up, better obey.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Until you realize that no one cares.
Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Un-oh, a Marine just told me to shut up, better obey.
And what it this crap????
"I think i said it "appears useful" It may very well be useful, but that's obviously not what most pro-hemp people are concerned about."
If a pro-hemp person wasn't concerned about being pro-hemp, what are they concerned about? Being pro-rogaine?
The rock the government has you under must be pretty big, your having trouble seeing anything but what they want you to.
NORML is concerned with getting high legally.Originally posted by BurlySurly
They're concerned about getting high. Thats all.
Bash what you want all you want, you sound like a child.
Nope, still dont buy it. I still believe that in all the good behind what industrial hemp may cause, lies the ulterior motive of trying to smoke pot freely.Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
NORML is concerned with getting high legally.
Vote Hemp is a non-profit organization dedicated to the acceptance of and free market for Industrial Hemp. Industrial Hemp is non-psychoactive low THC varieties of the cannabis sativa plant...........Where does it say we just wanna get high?
Your opinion is shallow minded. Wake up.
My ignorance? Go ahead and look back at my "farmers point of view" post. What are you adding to the conversation? Show me some proof that the motive behind legalizing hemp is to just get stoned.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Nope, still dont buy it. I still believe that in all the good behind what industrial hemp may cause, lies the ulterior motive of trying to smoke pot freely.
For you to sit there, and keep trying to insult me seems pretty shallow. Your posts rarely, if ever, offer any kind of relevant facts to the matters at hand. Attacking someone personally when your own ignorance toward a situation negates any statement you might try to make as an insult is pretty shallow.
Just so you know though, my opinions on this matter formed long before i was in the military, so quit assuming that everything i post is indicative of the way we military people are "brainwashed"
I wish you had a clue.
Okay, poor choice of words... Ask older career military folk, or check out some military history, is what I meant to say.Originally posted by BurlySurly
people always tell me to "ask my superiors" about something.
I don't believe I said that. I agree that any drug can be a societal or personal problem. My issue is with the manner in which we fight it. I'm not defending pot, I'm attacking the "War on Drugs" as it currently exists.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Ohio, ....You also called it a socially harmless drug. I dont believe that to be accurate as well.
What i find interesting about both of your arguments is that you keep insisting that Pot and Hemp are completely seperate entities, yet you find it necessary to defend MJ as OK for the world along the way.
Since you can't back up your argument, I'm not going to shut up.Originally posted by BurlySurly
I realize, of course, what both of you are trying to get across in your arguments. Im not arguing against hemp in itself, as it would appear to be a very useful resource in the world today. What im arguing is that Marijuana advocates and Pro-hemp people are very much intertwined. I can only imagine, as others have stated, a massive influx of marijuana with the legalization of hemp. As you know, Im very opposed to that idea.
MrBig, sorry, but this is again my opinion. There simply is no data available on the ulterior motives of pro-hemp afficianados available at this time. I just think its pretty obvious anyway.
It isn't like there is a shortage now.Originally posted by BurlySurly
I can only imagine, as others have stated, a massive influx of marijuana with the legalization of hemp.
Originally posted by indieboy
sometimes a picture can say things a little better then words can
It is true that the war on drugs is not perfect, but i dont see how stopping the fight would help accomplish the goal.Originally posted by ohio
I don't believe I said that. I agree that any drug can be a societal or personal problem. My issue is with the manner in which we fight it. I'm not defending pot, I'm attacking the "War on Drugs" as it currently exists.
Did you just ask that?Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
If the two plants only similarity is apperance, how could it happen?
Read the WHOLE post again. Taking statements out of context is something the media would do to a politician. I expect better strategies from you.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Did you just ask that?
do i sense a bit of anger?Originally posted by BurlySurly
You're absolutely right.