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Avy

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rideit said:
No?
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Sorry,I get them mixed up? Fuckin can’t have opinion this day and age without being scum of the earth. Ark Senator and E.Warren with just terrible opinion’s on what should be done. This Topic is Powerful and Scary and must be able to have a back and fourth speaking civilly. Avy just made that word up? Sorry Brother.

Avy
 
ALEXIS_DH

ALEXIS_DH

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slyfink said:
At the beginning of all this (by that I mean two weeks ago, when Hamas launched their operation), everyone was wondering why the fuck did they do that, why poke the bear. I wonder if their purpose was to provoke the Israeli government to overreact, and force the international community to look closely at what is going on. Hoping that public opinion will shift. I wonder if it will work.
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It has shifted my opinion.
Normally, I´d support Israel right to defense... but the last 2 weeks have been insane.
 
sunringlerider

sunringlerider

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I drive around most of my days now, and listen to NPR . . . take that as you will. They have been having no stop coverage of this shit show. The justification for the no stop bombing of Gaza is complete bull shit. . . and our (USA) justification of supporting Israel is just about as equally bull shit. . .
I am a descendent of Jewish people that ran from the shit show in Germany, the holocaust was bad, really bad. However bombing churches, hospitals, apartment buildings to "get the leaders" is so fucked up.

Since we decided that Muslims are terrorist's in 2001 4.5+million estimated folks have died in the middle east, how many more need to die?? Fucking sick of this shit.
 
AngryMetalsmith

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“It is important to separate people and governments. No government is beyond criticism. The idea that criticizing the government of Israel is antisemitic sets a very dangerous precedent, and it’s been used to silence diverse voices speaking up for human rights across our nation,” she said.

She grew emotional and had trouble speaking after she said, “I can’t believe I have to say this, but Palestinian people are not disposable.”
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rideit

rideit

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Doing my part here to help Global Peace, I have put Gal Godot on warning that she won’t be my Avatar EVER AGAIN until Israel figures out their shit.
Or until the sex tape gets leaked.
Whichever is first.
 
Toshi

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latest things I read:

- some of the shells at the bombed hospital did turn out to be Israeli
- Hamas was apparently using another (?) hospital (saw photos of an MRI waiting room with weapons) as a command center. the worst kind of use of human/patient shields.

so still a war with no good guys.
 
Westy

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Toshi said:
latest things I read:

- some of the shells at the bombed hospital did turn out to be Israeli
- Hamas was apparently using another (?) hospital (saw photos of an MRI waiting room with weapons) as a command center. the worst kind of use of human/patient shields.

so still a war with no good guys.
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The Worst vs Worst*.99
 
kidwoo

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Toshi said:
- Hamas was apparently using another (?) hospital (saw photos of an MRI waiting room with weapons) as a command center. the worst kind of use of human/patient shields.
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what is it about this generation of the term 'human shields' makes you think this is any more believable than when we used it in Iraq?

it's a way to justify killing civilians and always has been

2018
www.aljazeera.com

The fallacy of Israel’s human shields claims in Gaza

Desperately trying to justify the killing of unarmed protesters, Israel once again uses its ‘human shields’ mantra.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

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progressive.org

Have ‘Human Shields’ Accusations Become an Excuse for War Crimes?

There is a growing realization that U.S. support for Israel is hampering U.S. diplomacy.
progressive.org progressive.org
 
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Avy

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kidwoo said:
what is it about this generation of the term 'human shields' makes you think this is any more believable than when we used it in Iraq?

it's a way to justify killing civilians and always has been

2018
www.aljazeera.com

The fallacy of Israel’s human shields claims in Gaza

Desperately trying to justify the killing of unarmed protesters, Israel once again uses its ‘human shields’ mantra.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

2021
progressive.org

Have ‘Human Shields’ Accusations Become an Excuse for War Crimes?

There is a growing realization that U.S. support for Israel is hampering U.S. diplomacy.
progressive.org progressive.org
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The people IMHO are not fooled or going for this War like they have been in past Wars.

Avy
 
sunringlerider

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Toshi said:
latest things I read:

- some of the shells at the bombed hospital did turn out to be Israeli
- Hamas was apparently using another (?) hospital (saw photos of an MRI waiting room with weapons) as a command center. the worst kind of use of human/patient shields.

so still a war with no good guys.
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At this point I do not believe anything that the IDF says. . . suuuuuure they found weapons right by the MRI machine how convenient. They are playing the game exactly how it was projected they would. "we told them to leave so anyone that is left behind it a TERRORIST, aaaaand there are guns here seeeeee" They are committing war crimes and admitting them on national broadcast, yet still brown Muslims are bad, must kill all. JFC.
 
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sunringlerider said:
At this point I do not believe anything that the IDF says. . . suuuuuure they found weapons right by the MRI machine how convenient. They are playing the game exactly how it was projected they would. "we told them to leave so anyone that is left behind it a TERRORIST, aaaaand there are guns here seeeeee" They are committing war crimes and admitting them on national broadcast, yet still brown Muslims are bad, must kill all. JFC.
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ask toshi what happens to steel in the vicinity of MRI machines
 
chuffer

chuffer

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No. The goal is money and power. You, the israelis, palestinians, me, everyone are just the means to that end.

Not saying that there is some nefarious cabal running the world, but the politico-economic system that we are in requires conflict to function.

To put it another way, if senators, MPs, CEOs, union presidents, bank heads, religious elders, etc. were sent to the front lines instead of our kids, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
 
rideit

rideit

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I don't think it is principally money and power in this case. There are really no resources to be gained by taking over 'Palestine', just a burden of a ravaged population.
Not to say there aren't war profiteers, but I honestly don't think this is so simple. To say retribution and revenge aren't playing a role here is beyond naive, respectfully.
(I am sitting in my Mother in Law's kitchen, where she has shabbat services being zoomed, I know how they are taking this).
I put headphones on to listen to Jason Isbell.
 
AngryMetalsmith

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rideit said:
I don't think it is principally money and power in this case. There are really no resources to be gained by taking over 'Palestine', just a burden of a ravaged population.
Not to say there aren't war profiteers, but I honestly don't think this is so simple. To say retribution and revenge aren't playing a role here is beyond naive, respectfully.
(I am sitting in my Mother in Law's kitchen, where she has shabbat services being zoomed, I know how they are taking this).
I put headphones on to listen to Jason Isbell.
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Israel has the resources of land to gain from taking over Gaza. They have been expanding their territory in the West Bank for a long time. And from the looks of things they don’t seem to give a shit about the fate of 2 million Palestinian civilians.

Edit: not picking a side, just observing.
 
rideit

rideit

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True, but a LOT of that land has limited resource value. But I do agree, occupation is a goal. Maybe we should reflect on historical examples of colonization, though, white people certainly made it work for them all over the globe. :p
 
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