John Kerry Calls American Troops Terrorists

Westy · Dec 6, 2005

That is a shame. He should have called Jr a Terrorrrirrisst.

LordOpie · Dec 6, 2005

so, no comment on this or anything you've been posting about?

A real shame. That economy thread gave us false hope that you were actually going to participate in the discussions.

DRB · Dec 6, 2005

LordOpie said:
so, no comment on this or anything you've been posting about?

A real shame. That economy thread gave us false hope that you were actually going to participate in the discussions.

He's mad at me for being mean to him. I think that he is getting N8 and MizN8 egos confused.

Reactor · Dec 6, 2005

Typical distortion.

But I have to ask. Being awakened by armed, masked men who break down your door, throw your parents to the ground and burst into your house and wave guns around is what ..... comforting? spreading democracy? Prostletizing? In the US we call it a Home Invasion.

Of course in the US it would be also be hard to find a find a group of 100,000 people, like us soldiers, who have suffered 2,136+ deaths, 20,748+ injuries (half of which are permanently disabling), and 30,000 cases of sever mental illness.

Ciaran · Dec 6, 2005

N8 said:
This is Face the Nation last Sunday:

JOHN KERRY: I don't agree with that. But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is, you've got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment; you've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis, and there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- of -- of -- historical customs, religious customs, whether you like it or not. Iraqis should be doing that. And after all of these two and a half years, with all --

Sorry N8, that is not calling someone a terrorist (especially within the definition of terrorism/terrorist that you are using). You know, sometimes you really are a moron. Most times I think that you are pretty harmless, but then I remember that you also have the right to vote. It's sad, really.

Discostu · Dec 6, 2005

Terrorize- To fill or overpower with terror
Terror- Intense, overpowering fear

Terrorist-One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
Terrorism-The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Let us know if you need any help with the big words.

LordOpie · Dec 6, 2005

you guys know he's trolling... therefore, you're bigger idiots than you think he is.

Westy · Dec 6, 2005

LordOpie said:
you guys know he's trolling... therefore, you're bigger idiots than you think he is.

N8, c'mon. Hes is much more interested in starting lively debate than merely bunching panties.

The Amish · Dec 6, 2005

LordOpie said:
you guys know he's trolling... therefore, you're bigger idiots than you think he is.

Aah the trolling acusation. The battle cry of the jack ass with far to many post's. I cunt understand why you keep speaking

Silver · Dec 6, 2005

Reactor said:
But I have to ask. Being awakened by armed, masked men who break down your door, throw your parents to the ground and burst into your house and wave guns around is what ..... comforting? spreading democracy? Prostletizing? In the US we call it a Home Invasion.

Or the War on Drugs. The ragheads in question are probably a bunch of potheads too, they deserve what they get.

LordOpie · Dec 6, 2005

Westy said:
N8, c'mon. Hes is much more interested in starting lively debate than merely bunching panties.

I'm hoping that enough people will ignore him so he'll either stop posting or (more hopefully) start actually commenting on a more regular basis. I'm not sure if y'all know this, but he's a pretty smart guy with good opinions... even if I disagree with 'em.

Come on nate, you must be getting bored with this routine, yeah?

LordOpie · Dec 6, 2005

The Amish said:
Aah the trolling acusation. The battle cry of the jack ass with far to many post's. I cunt understand why you keep speaking

*yawn*

Westy · Dec 6, 2005

The Amish said:
[snip]I cunt.

You speak the truth.

Changleen · Dec 6, 2005

The Amish said:
Aah the trolling acusation. The battle cry of the jack ass with far to many post's. I cunt understand why you keep speaking

Sincerely, F@ck off, you wanker.

The Amish · Dec 6, 2005

no no no, I just cant do that. You see personaly i could give a sh$t about any of this stuff, but when I realised there was a forum with about a dozen so called bikers who liked to blow smoke up each others a##'s about how smart they were, and how simple it would be to solve all the worlds problems if we would only listen to them, I felt it my civic duty as a red blooded american to take a moment out of every day and write something just to piss em off. C-ya tommorow!

PEACE

narlus · Dec 6, 2005

so are we lumped in as 'so-called' bikers because we don't cut illegal trails and build crap on land we don't own?

Changleen · Dec 6, 2005

narlus said:
so are we lumped in as 'so-called' bikers because we don't cut illegal trails and build crap on land we don't own?

No, It's because he's a dick who hasn't the first clue what he's talking about.

valve bouncer · Dec 6, 2005

The Amish said:
I cunt understand

1 point to the Amish

ink:

fluff · Dec 7, 2005

valve bouncer said:
1 point to the Amishink:

Yeah, but he does have a built-in advantage. Being a cuntry boy an all.

Old Man G Funk · Dec 7, 2005

The Amish said:
but when I realised there was a forum with about a dozen so called bikers who liked to blow smoke up each others a##'s about how smart they were

Biking and intelligence might be mutually exclusive in your case, but it doesn't necessarily apply in all cases. I suggest you not transfer your personal liabilities on the rest of us.

DRB · Dec 7, 2005

I have no problem with what Kerry said. It points to the intelligence of the current strategy being used in Iraq. It all goes to hearts and minds. Don't be the bad guy. Win the PR war, then you can win the war.

However, here is the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot.

Howard Dean, the Democratic National Chairman, on Monday told a San Antonio, Texas, "the idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong."

That's just dumb.

"Dean's take on Iraq makes even less sense than the scream in Iowa: Both are uninformed and unhelpful," said Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Ga.), recalling Dean's famous election-night roar after stumbling in Iowa during his 2004 presidential bid.

Imagine the soundbites you could create for TV commericals.

Nancy Pelosi has also been singing this song by endorsing Murtha's proposal. Murtha can get away with everything he is saying. He is pretty much bulletproof to GOP attacks. However, Pelosi is a much easier target on which the GOP can hang the defeatist label.

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) and Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (Md.), the second-ranking House Democratic leader, have told colleagues that Pelosi's recent endorsement of a speedy redeployment, combined with her claim that more than half of House Democrats support her position, could backfire on the party, congressional sources said.

These sources said the two leaders have expressed worry that Pelosi is playing into Bush's hands by suggesting Democrats are the party of a quick pullout -- an unpopular position in many of the most competitive House races.

Its a shame if this continues because the Democrats had a huge opportunity. With the continued GOP scandals and the ability to score points at will by simply pointing out how we got in the war AND how badly its been managed since, the Democrats had (maybe still have) the ability to stand and maintain the high ground without putting to much out there that could be used against them later.

Echo · Dec 7, 2005

Actually, in the eyes of much of Iraq, most of the rest of the world, and a growing number of Americans, our military's presence in Iraq is an illegal and unnecessary occupation and is hurting much more than it is helping. Is it fair to call the soldiers terrorists when they are just following orders from the chief terrorist, named Bush? We call anyone who follows orders from Bin Laden or Al-Zarqawi a terrorist. What's the difference?

BikeGeek · Dec 7, 2005

I believe it was Rush Limbaugh who added the headline with "terrorist" to the quote. Whether you love him or hate him, you have to admit his bread and butter is stirring up reactions like this from both sides.

Did he call him a terrorist? By definition, yes. Do you seriously think that's what he intended in using the word "terrorizing?" Probably not. I mean, by definition, I could call my dentist a terrorist, he terrifies me.

DRB · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
Kerry ain't very smart for being an Harvard grad and all...

No I think he is very smart. Because when taken in total he is absolutely right. Why aren't the Iraqis doing this work? How come the adminstration hasn't put the necessary resources in place that by this point (2.5 years later) that Iraqis aren't doing the door banging even with US supervision?

Old Man G Funk · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
Did you really think this was going to be that easy?

The administration sure did. We were supposed to be welcomed with flowers. Dubya already did his "Mission Accomplished" routine. According to them, we should have been in and out of there a long time ago.

DRB · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
Did you really think this was going to be that easy?

How long does it take to train a soldier and put him in the field? How long does it take to train a cop and put him in the field?

From the Mission Accomplished statement was May 2, 2003. That is 31 months and 5 days. Does it take that long?

DRB · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
The Mission accomplished was in reference to the ending of Saddam's rein.

Which is why we are where we are. The mission was never thought out beyond ending Saddam's reign. And the reality is that it hasn't even been thought out since then.

Old Man G Funk · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
The Mission accomplished was in reference to the ending of Saddam's rein.

So was that shifting rationale number 4 or 5? I lose count. I mean, first it was about finding the WMD. There was also something about fighting the terrorists. Wait, we were supposed to be spreading democracy too. Oh, the mission was just to topple Saddam. Hmmmm, how could one be confused about that?

Old Man G Funk · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
What's that old saying about a battle plan...? Oh yeah... it's no good any more once contact is made with the enemy...

Um, contact was already made by then, or are you saying that the mission was accomplished before a shot was fired? Oh, maybe you are referring to the insurgents? The insurgents who came there to fight against us and our presence?

narlus · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
Kerry ain't very smart for being an Harvard grad and all...

i think the word you are looking for is cunning

fluff · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
The Mission accomplished was in reference to the ending of Saddam's rein.

You got a copy of the original mission plan with objectives an' all?

DRB · Dec 7, 2005

N8 said:
What's that old saying about a battle plan...? Oh yeah... it's no good any more once contact is made with the enemy...

Or it could mean that it was a bad plan. And you definately don't keep winging it.

BikeGeek · Dec 7, 2005

narlus said:
i think the word you are looking for is cunning

A cunning linguist?

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