Rear tires also need to produce driving and braking force. The large drive/brake paddle on that minion 2 will help achieve both, plus you still get the side knobs of the DHF for cornering. Trade-off should be more drifting in stand-up off camber situations.
Yes, of course, but braking forces will be just as great if not more so on the front tire, which only leaves driving forces that separate front and rear, and they are the least of everyone's concern. Look how many folks are running High Roller rears after all...right up to Peaty himself.
Keep in mind it's a little harder to push a front tire into a skid under hard braking (with the rider straight up and down). So you don't need quite as much of a hard braking surface to brake with traction as you do a rear which wants to skid.
When I say braking force I'm talking about tire=>ground. On that Minion 2 there is more braking edge then on a DHF, thus more braking force.
It should be a course/riding style decision. You can have an edge in stand up braking or off-camber grip, choose one - there's no right answer.
Considering those both work on different sections of a tire, they're not mutually exclusive.
You're right, I should have clarified - partially standing up off camber (not fully transitioned to side knobs). At that point you've got more edge force as you're pushing your back wheel sideways (with a DHF).
hmm...going out on a limb there with that statement.
opinions are like......yeah, and we all have one and they all stink.At least that's my opinion. I've been known to be wrong.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Agree with this too.
For sure. But those are really significant criteria though.....it's definitely not incorrect. But I know you know that.
you slide on corduroy groomers?!
those are meant for carving... the kind of carving that leaves a trench behind you but no spray. 
I'm riding B3s with tele bindings and I definitely get some slide on. Hmmm, maybe I need to handcut my edges for more grip...Look me in the face and tell me you don't know exactly what I mean.
I'm not talking about riding slalom skis yo. At some point you slide a turn, somewhere.
Definitely need to sipe them.
drop knees, not bombs you free heeling hippy
Yea I'm not always the most eloquent.hmm...going out on a limb there with that statement.
Wayne - thank GOD. The old DHR was such a horrible match to the stellar DHF. I really REALLY don't like that tire even after giving it multiple chances to work for me. Super stoked to try this new DHR II with the HR II.
Let me talk to some people and I'll see what I can do.
Woo!Wayne - thank GOD. The old DHR was such a horrible match to the stellar DHF. I really REALLY don't like that tire even after giving it multiple chances to work for me. Super stoked to try this new DHR II with the HR II.
Let me talk to some people and I'll see what I can do.
I listen to people all day long preach about rear brake only scenarios but it's usually (always) from someone slower than me who has problems keeping their front wheel tracking so I don't worry about it.
not happy with those new michies you just got?
Hate to admit it but they're way too hard of a compound. Totally different from tires in the past. I don't know what they're thinking. I'm bummed because I love the feel of michelins, and how easily they set up tubeless.... They're literally rock hard though
Which ones did you get Ian?Hate to admit it but they're way too hard of a compound. Totally different from tires in the past. I don't know what they're thinking. I'm bummed because I love the feel of michelins, and how easily they set up tubeless.... They're literally rock hard though
Those. And a 2.6 wildgrip'r(old comp 32 only smaller with lower center knobs)
Noooo, I was going to get a set of WildGrip'r 2.5's rather than fork out another tenner a tyre for HR's.Hate to admit it but they're way too hard of a compound. Totally different from tires in the past. I don't know what they're thinking. I'm bummed because I love the feel of michelins, and how easily they set up tubeless.... They're literally rock hard though
The hard 55a or whatever compound was the only thing putting me off using one on the front. I'm confused though, you say you love the feel of Michelins, but they're too hard? I take it you mean you love the feel of riding the old ones, but not the new ones?
You've tried regular maxxis dh tires tubeless then? I've run them on 7inch bikes like that for years (and have a 2.35 dh minion on the back of my trailbike tubeless right now). I haven't had any luck keeping tubeless tires of any brand on my dh bike but I've been pretty happy with the non UST maxxis ones on other bikes. I think I've only put a hole in one of them in about 6 years worth of going that route.
i wasn't planning on it, but i might try it....i really don't want to deal with burping, and that is what i liked about michelins...it's one of the only UST/Nagesti certified tubeless tires out there...it has a super precise, sharp fit between the bead and that channel in the sidewall of just about any mavic rim(they mate up well)
Screw the USTs. Just grab a set of the normal dh tires. I've run regular dh minions on an uzzi vpx, a demo 7 and a turner highline and can honestly say, I never burped them. I DID put a hole in one but I kind of deserved it when it happened. But like you said, run a little higher pressure than what you would with tubes just to take up the slack left over from losing the structural support of a tube. This was on deemax and 823 rims (yeah I know, same rim). But I HAVE burped them on my dh bike.....plus put more holes, pinched sidewalls that wouldn't seal....but that's not particular to maxxis, I've done that with every single tire I've ever run tubeless on my dedicated dh bike. But you sound like you have better luck than me in general doing that.
So yeah, take that for what it's worth. On a set of deemax wheels.
yeah, that's what i ordered(standard NON UST minion F and hi roller 2.5 3C)...first set of maxxis since the orange striped mobster tire back in my plattekill days circa 2000...hoping i'll be pleasedScrew the USTs. Just grab a set of the normal dh tires. I've run regular dh minions on an uzzi vpx, a demo 7 and a turner highline and can honestly say, I never burped them. I DID put a hole in one but I kind of deserved it when it happened. But like you said, run a little higher pressure than what you would with tubes just to take up the slack left over from losing the structural support of a tube. This was on deemax and 823 rims (yeah I know, same rim). But I HAVE burped them on my dh bike.....plus put more holes, pinched sidewalls that wouldn't seal....but that's not particular to maxxis, I've done that with every single tire I've ever run tubeless on my dedicated dh bike. But you sound like you have better luck than me in general doing that.
For what it's worth, I did try running some old comp 32s tubeless and I DID burp them. Those things were so tall tough that leverage comes into play.
well, i've tried them, but never owned them...i liked them and i'm pretty excited, i hear nothing but good things....
You better.
that's a bummer but I can relate. Lately I've been experimenting with different tires (brands) and noticed that for some, even their DH compound feel pretty hard. There is something about Maxxis Compounds that feel just right, even 60d.Hate to admit it but they're way too hard of a compound. Totally different from tires in the past. I don't know what they're thinking. I'm bummed because I love the feel of michelins, and how easily they set up tubeless.... They're literally rock hard though
Really? I'm using them and I disagree strongly! The knobs are firmer, but they feel just as soft to the touch on the surface. I believe they're dual compound; firm rubber underneath and a softer layer on top? Seem to corner as well as my maxxis did to me, and roll quicker too.Hate to admit it but they're way too hard of a compound. Totally different from tires in the past. I don't know what they're thinking. I'm bummed because I love the feel of michelins, and how easily they set up tubeless.... They're literally rock hard though
What tire is it you're referring to in particular? I have a feeling the wildgrip'r 2.5 is still soft(old comp 16)
Yeah, everyone is sick of all the random standards in MTB, but having some standard durometer guidelines would be coolthat's a bummer but I can relate. Lately I've been experimenting with different tires (brands) and noticed that for some, even their DH compound feel pretty hard. There is something about Maxxis Compounds that feel just right, even 60d.
