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New Fox forks
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Oh shit. I know the guy running that show. Very well 
Find me one of those stickers. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
Find me one of those stickers. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
Not at all. I already bought a 38. It feels amazing (both air spring and cartridge) but I would like a pinch bolt or 4 and a 20mm axle. Not a deal breaker. I like to try all this stuff myself rather than theorize people based from experiences with my Judy DH, 66 and White Bros DH3.
Freeride!
Now I gotta get the clutch, throttle, knee grip thing down first.
Problem is I'm just as much as a mountain hermit as you are.
Problem is I'm just as much as a mountain hermit as you are.
Yeah, I was gonna say only if you come alone AND listen to my theories on 20mm axles.
works for me
Mad invite.
I was supposed to be in Euro land this year but WuFlu seems to be screwing that plan. Plus Udi reckons all the tracks there are lame and pedally.
Did riders actually ever ask for the tool free front axle?
Because now they certainly want to replace those with aftermarket non-lever axles that “look clean”.
Because now they certainly want to replace those with aftermarket non-lever axles that “look clean”.
Which part? The 40 or the bike in general?
If you're talking about the fork, literally just weight, now that I fixed the offset.
Other things that weigh less than those old 36s:HAB's shortened 40 weighs less than my old style 36
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180f/155r as I ride it most of the time. There's a flip chip for a longer stroke shock that makes it 175mm rear. I like it a whole lot for the winch and plummet type of riding I mostly do around here. The idea was to build the closest thing I could to a DH bike that still climbed pretty well (note: it is still not a replacement for an actual DH bike) and it's good at that. The more rolling and varied the terrain is, the less sense it makes. It's a big, long, slack bike that needs to be pointed pretty solidly downhill to really come alive and work.
Thank god for those. Through axles with quick release levers give me the zikaebolaids.
zeb
i see you've been following the same infozeb
so Zeb's not deb?zeb
Does it have torque caps?
More than 3, I have an older 36 that is convertible and is currently 20mm.
I also have a 15mm only set of lowers for it with zero pinch bolts.
Whether it is because of the larger axle diameter, or pinch bolts, or both there is noticeable difference in how it reacts and tracks. Mucho bettero.
The lack of 20mm hubs from OEM (or lack of wanting to produce 20mm hubs) is probably what drove this.
At least they added a pinch bolt and kinda moto style axle. I think it's funny that Fox portrays the "floating axle" as some cool new concept.
You'd be surprised by the real test lab comparison testing done some big companies on 15mm vs 20mm axle designs. Or if you have done it yourself maybe not.
But then when the product managers can save some weight and 90% of the customer base cannot tell the difference it is an easy choice.
Anyone done with kabolt/ oneup axle upgrade on their 15qr? Noticeable upgrade?
try me.
They're not lighter
. The first gen fox 15mm stuff was actually heavier because they used thicker wall bolts. And magnesium cast lower material weighs nothing in the different clamp sizes.Formula etc that makes all the OEM hubs still make 20mm hubs. Again, we JUST went through like 9 new hub standards over the last 5 years, one of them just another 20mm version.
Let's see that test data. I need a reason to tell JM and toodles I'm right and they're wrong, so that I can then get back to dealing with their fanny packs.
I have a wolftooth one on 2018 36. Lighter, much less unwieldy, much much better looking, basically elevates posing in a parking lot to another level.
Ok I'll admit that the 20mm is the go if it was/is available. But cmon - you're saying you'd not run the 38 over a much older fork just because it doesn't have that axle? Jeez.
Kinda wonder if the 20mm axle option might make it onto the Marzocchi branded sidestream of product at some stage. Fox seems to be using that as their "go around" for reintroducing tech they claimed to have surpassed.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Because this 38 is light. Which means they used thinner walled stanchions than they could have, and less material in the castings than they could have. Which means it's flexier than it could have been. You see that funky steerer tube? That's awesome. It's a weight penalty free design choice that will help negate the other stiffness compromises. The 20mm bolt would have been another one. A really significant one at that.
I said earlier in this thread that I'll be curious to compare the stiffness of a 38 to my old 36. Because there's a damn good chance it's not as stiff. In which case I have no use for it.
Castings are the most expensive/committed component of a fork I would think. I can't think of any deviations between fox/marzocchi since they took over the name. Are any of the zoke ones unique?
I'm pretty sure the Marz forks all use the same castings. Which is why I'm quite sure a 20mm Marz single crown isn't happening.
Didn't they coil the Marz options? And cmon - they gotta cast 28 different fork varieties when basically 3 should do. Whats its gonna do - send them broke to do two more with a 20mm and pinchbolts? It'd only kill their marketing guy who told everyone that 15mm was the future. And given COVID they're probably trying to kill off a few employees anyway. Win - Win.
The Marzocchi's have their own lowers.
The MRP 15mm boost hub conversion kit is pretty nice for neutering a perfectly good 20mm DT Swiss 240 OS or Hope hub to make it fit the forks everyone is buying which forced the end of 20mm pinchbolt fork, btw.
The MRP 15mm boost hub conversion kit is pretty nice for neutering a perfectly good 20mm DT Swiss 240 OS or Hope hub to make it fit the forks everyone is buying which forced the end of 20mm pinchbolt fork, btw.
The Z1 lower is lighter than the current gen 36 lower (designed a few years later so more knowhow) That's why some suspension tuning people mix the grip 2 cart and a Z1 lower.
Let them fools you know 3 hours down the road from me that I needs 20mm axles for mah massive huxxors. Cuz MarzfuckinZochi!
I've beaten the dead 20mm horse....nobody buys them anymore. If you buy that Zeb then you are also guilty of casting your vote!!!!!!