The Kona also has replaceable sliding dropouts, so you can alter the wheelbase. I have mine build kinda silly with a 36 on it, but goddam is it fun. I will be putting a pike on it very soon though, just suits it so much better.
Are you saying you would get one if they were made?.I can't beleive you guys are comparing a Kona with Turner!
Can you say craftsmanship ??
I think Turner needs to hurry up with the bike and you'll
see plenty of people will buy one!
there isn't many true options for me out there in a fs ds/mtx bike
geometry is either off or too heavily built!
I ride a giant trance which I like very much but could use a slacker HA
I bought it in 05 because Turner didn't make a 4x bike at the time
the Giant has a great suspension, really pedals well! And a good bit
lighter than other good 4x bikes - Intense Tazer, etc.
I have put some time in on one, and honestly it is one of the most fun bikes i have ridden...Total blast, and whoever said they pedal like crap is full of it, its all in the shock set up.Nope, never ridden one.
Oh, except the one I own i guess. The one that i rode last night, all over the city. Cowan DS, blue, wonderful. And they didn't stop making it, its back this year in a terrible Yellow color. I find it pedals fine, although admittedly I have a DHX air on there so that might help. I also run it with gears, cause single speed for me sucks.
Great little bike, its staying with me for quite a while.
Read: "the suspension system itself sucks ass and bobs worse than a cheap hooker but if you compensate with a lot of low speed compression on a platform shock, then it works."whoever said they pedal like crap is full of it, its all in the shock set up.
actually, i now remember that Transition has their 'Double'. unless i could compare the bikes side-by-side, in person, i'd propbably go with the 'Double', assuming the Tuner offering would be in the $1500-range.i would if i had the money.
Well I have good bikes now,Are you saying you would get one if they were made?.
Good choice, those are great little bikes. One of my team guys had one, and it was damn sexy.i'd buy one...but i'm still waiting for my commencal meta 4x
This says alot about Turner bikes. Veteran Pros must have to buy their bikes and to pick a Turner over the others, or even to esteem a Turner out of all the others means good stuff.I am a veteran Pro
any bike I would buy has to cheap!
They are probably up there at the
top spot on bikes I would love to own~
What is it? prototype IH?no...I alrady have a full squishy 4x/ds/dj bike which I got for super cheap and works super good for what I do.
That turner is nice tho...
Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about. I have a Turner slalom bike, and I use it for everything. I have had it for two years, and use it for my dirt jumping bike, slalom race bike, and I raise the seat and use it for xc (yes, with a chainguide, 32 tooth). Good racing geometry means it'll turn like mad, and handle well overall, and isn't that what we all want on trails too? Being made well means that it can get beat up for years and not have any problems.I think that this is the problem with this kind of bike. It is high quality, high $ but it is so limited in its use.
It will have the wrong geo for trail/AM riding, and it won't be built beefy enough to be a DJ'er.
Agreed. Slalom bikes are the hidden gems of the mountain bike world. Strong, fun geo, and multitalented. They can do more then you'd beleive, if you just break the frame of mind that pigeonholes a bike to its labelled use.
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what do you mean they dont make a free ride bike. the rfx is a 6'' inch travel bike and the high line wich is now i believe going to 7 3/4 travel or eight depending on what shock. the thread on mtbr yeah i know who that is. they started making on with a program and they wanted something that could be used a park bike. They were looking at the frame to be 4'' travel and around a 12-13 inch bb.after all doesnt Turner make a 6 and 7 inch bike? In my opinion
they should do like a flux xc- a 4cross 4" bike and a 6/7" trail/FR bike
then a DH bike and that's the lineup. Sounds like that would hit
all the demands for riders and the 4" bike will sell for DS/4x and
all mountain etc.
Apparently you are a d!ck with poor reading skills....Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about. I have a Turner slalom bike, and I use it for everything. I have had it for two years, and use it for my dirt jumping bike, slalom race bike, and I raise the seat and use it for xc (yes, with a chainguide, 32 tooth). Good racing geometry means it'll turn like mad, and handle well overall, and isn't that what we all want on trails too? Being made well means that it can get beat up for years and not have any problems.
While i do not personaly disagree with you, your opinions are definately comming from someone in the gravity racing world (I dont think i need to remind anyone that this part of MTB is one of the smallest parts). Turner sells FAR more 5 spots that any other frame they make. It truely is what Turner is known for in the overall MTB community.uh thats what I was saying basically-
they make every travel bike but a 4"
is that necessary?
A 4" bike seems to be more logical as an all round bike!
I'm no "Freeride expert" but doesnt a 5-6-7 inch bikes seem
like alot of bikes to cover the same type riding?
In my opion something like 3+ travel xc racer, 4 inch 4x/All mountain
cut out one of the three 5-6 or 7 you can't be selling loads of all
those bikes surely! Keep a Dh racer and you got it covered
2 diff. travel options should cover hucking and
trail riding freeriding whatever the intended purpose.
Over 4 inches is just too much travel to be responsive, quick-
light, and a good cornerer, along with an efficient sprinter
needed to be a good DS bike - mustless a 26" BMX
I mean Mountain Cross Bike.
Theres another subject 4x should have rough and burly mt.
style courses that require full suspensions.
Right now thats why everyone smart rides hardtails
I have both and usually use the fully for DS and HT for MTX
I'm sure it will be a very nice bike but XC/All Mountain guys are not looking at bikes with that low BB's, they need higher ones b/c they want to be able to pedal every where. These people also generaly prefer more squish than 3-4" as they are more "comfy" and have less skills than us in this forum.Yes, you could swap out rocker arms to get some slightly different geometry with one of Turner's trail bikes, but it wouldn't be as good as a true 4X/slalom bike. I actually have one of the few remaining 4 bar slalom bikes, not a rail. This might clarify some stuff that people are throwing out there... The travel is at 3 inches, and will stay like that for production, more than that is usually unnecessary in slalom and 4X racing. The frame has much shorter chainstays than a 5 spot, 16.2 to be exact (production will be 1/10 of an inch shorter), and a longer top tube than a small 5 spot, about a 68/69 degree head angle. So it's shorter in the back end and longer in the front end so it's stable but still quick turning.
That sounds like a bike I wouldn't mind trying. Shorty short rear end is a must, and if 16.1" is the chainstay length they are after it's a great start. Now all we need are some badass courses to ride this type of bike on.The travel is at 3 inches, and will stay like that for production, more than that is usually unnecessary in slalom and 4X racing. The frame has much shorter chainstays than a 5 spot, 16.2 to be exact (production will be 1/10 of an inch shorter), and a longer top tube than a small 5 spot, about a 68/69 degree head angle. So it's shorter in the back end and longer in the front end so it's stable but still quick turning.
that's probably my first choice for a slalom bike. Nice geometry on the ones I've ridden and SAPA brings the ruckus!
My buddy is a Turner Factory rider. He gave tons of input on the current faux-Bar Turner 4X. I have ridden this bike & while it could be ridden XC, but is not ideal for it. The BB is way too low (about 12"), which means you clip rocks; the super short rear (16.2") & slack headangle (68 degrees) makes it pop up when climbing the steep hills; and its lightweight racing tubing is not designed for DJ or trail abuse. It is specifically a light racing machine.Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about. I have a Turner slalom bike, and I use it for everything. I have had it for two years, and use it for my dirt jumping bike, slalom race bike, and I raise the seat and use it for xc (yes, with a chainguide, 32 tooth). Good racing geometry means it'll turn like mad, and handle well overall, and isn't that what we all want on trails too? Being made well means that it can get beat up for years and not have any problems.