NEW World Cup replacement!?!?

binary visions · Mar 22, 2007

Sometimes, I should close the window instead of posting. I zapped my comment because it was bound to turn the thread into more of an abomination than it already was.

S.K.C. I liked your original comment better, and it's definitely hominem...

S.K.C. · Mar 22, 2007

After reading it I questioned the legitimacy of its hilarity.

...but I'm glad you liked it!

Jim Mac · Mar 22, 2007

Geezus x- mas people! I was psyched about a WC thread and instead we go back to the Plattekill "moment" when Laslo came out with a cheese platter to servie it up with a little "whine" some pro's had on the course last year (yes, I had a piece of that cheese!)?!?!?!?!

konahucker43 · Mar 22, 2007

Sandwich said:
I'm not going to support the notion of a WC race at plattekill, but I really wonder where you guys are basing your opinions on.

There's now a decent lodge down in the town near plattekill.

There's also a very large resort on the way to plattekill from the south. I'm not sure of the name of it, but it's there, it's big, and it's not a motor lodge.

Now the mountain itself couldn't support the race, I won't deny that, but why spout off when you don't know all the facts? I think Bromont is a nice mountain, but the size of their bathrooms are the same as plattekill, if not smaller. Maybe they had a second one, but the one I was in had two dumpers and one sink. The parking lot was adequate but not paved....but I still don't know enough about the area to say it could or could not host a race...so I'm not going to say anything about it.

Plattekill is great for what it is, and I like the fact there are no kids and families around (bromont, diablo, etc.) so I can burp fart and scratch myself.

I don't know where this post was meant to go, but Fraser you know better than to keep an argument like that up...come on, you're a moderator and you don't need to instigate.

ski windham and ski hunter, both within 30 min of plattekill have massive ammounts of facilites to accomodate.

have the XC at hunter, DH at plattekill. Its possible just not feasible

Now i am sure if it actually came down to having a WC there, the crew would take alot more time than an average weekend to build the course. It is still such a long shot.

Transcend · Mar 22, 2007

DylanDeanDesign said:
so i just got this text in this morning...

"UCI is expected to announce only 5 WC DH Races now.... nothing 100% until its in writing, but I guess whistler and UCI couldn't agree on a mid weeke event...."

I told you i wasn't gonna hold my breath!! i don't count on ANY RACE until i'm actually there... not flying there... but ACTUALLY THERE!

Interesting. I haven't heard this one yet, but not a big surprise.

elRey · Mar 22, 2007

If they can have a Nationals at Skibowl, Mt Hood, they can have a World Cup at Platekille.

Cant Climb · Mar 22, 2007

elRey said:
If they can have a Nationals at Skibowl, Mt Hood, they can have a World Cup at Platekille.

In the UK if a local farm has a big hill on it with an access road, it's a canidate for a national......different people have different attitudes on standards....

PatBranch · Mar 22, 2007

Would a bunch of porta-potties kind of sort of maybe solve the problem ?

(sorry about the crap quality)

bizutch · Mar 22, 2007

mtnbrider said:
Would a bunch of porta-potties kind of sort of maybe solve the problem ?

(sorry about the crap quality)

not really...you'd still have around a 1000 people searching for a place to sleep within an hour drive.

Pbody · Mar 22, 2007

DylanDeanDesign said:
so i just got this text in this morning...

"UCI is expected to announce only 5 WC DH Races now.... nothing 100% until its in writing, but I guess whistler and UCI couldn't agree on a mid weeke event...."

I told you i wasn't gonna hold my breath!! i don't count on ANY RACE until i'm actually there... not flying there... but ACTUALLY THERE!

So it comes down to Whistler not wanting to lose their lift-ticket revenue for a weekend!?!?!? Niiiiicccce!

ThePriceSeliger · Mar 22, 2007

Pbody said:
So it comes down to Whistler not wanting to lose their lift-ticket revenue for a weekend!?!?!? Niiiiicccce!

That's how they run. Their weekends are REDICULOUSLY crowded. They make so much money on lift tickets, and that is how they make the mountain so great. It doesn't surprise me.

Anyways, you could hold a WC race in most areas, and probley in Palo Duro Canyon on our DH trail if you REALLY wanted to. P-kill is fun, but I wouldn't go there for a WC race, it was pretty gross. I took a few showers once I left and spent some time in the bathroom there. It wouldn't be worth the UCI's time and money to make the area worthwhile. Anglefire was great, but it didn't return for this year. Why should the UCI do all that work for a venue they won't return to because it was a POS area. Sure, the mountain may be amazing, but that doesn't make the area any better, and no matter how hard you work on it, it still has a reputation for being a ****hole.

Mike Buell · Mar 22, 2007

ThePriceSeliger said:
That's how they run. Their weekends are REDICULOUSLY crowded. They make so much money on lift tickets, and that is how they make the mountain so great. It doesn't surprise me.

Anyways, you could hold a WC race in most areas, and probley in Palo Duro Canyon on our DH trail if you REALLY wanted to. P-kill is fun, but I wouldn't go there for a WC race, it was pretty gross. I took a few showers once I left and spent some time in the bathroom there. It wouldn't be worth the UCI's time and money to make the area worthwhile. Anglefire was great, but it didn't return for this year. Why should the UCI do all that work for a venue they won't return to because it was a POS area. Sure, the mountain may be amazing, but that doesn't make the area any better, and no matter how hard you work on it, it still has a reputation for being a ****hole.

If the UCI would of giving Anglefire proper notice by the time they had requested then the event would of been there and this whole debacle would of been evaded.

ThePriceSeliger · Mar 22, 2007

Mike Buell said:
If the UCI would of giving Anglefire proper notice by the time they had requested then the event would of been there and this whole debacle would of been evaded.

And the WC course there was so much fun, don't get me wrong. But AngleFire wasn't prepared for what WC races entail.

You're on the decline team with Alex, right?

FlipFantasia · Mar 22, 2007

Pbody said:
So it comes down to Whistler not wanting to lose their lift-ticket revenue for a weekend!?!?!? Niiiiicccce!

more like it's a canadian long weekend the weekend after crankworx....weekends, let alone national holiday long weekends, are pretty crazy in whistler, there's concern that they want be able to get the necessary accomodations that are required for officials and volunteers.....at least this is what I've been told....

stiksandstones · Mar 22, 2007

Did anyone mention why whistler (as a town, mountain, etc...) would even 'invite' or 'want' a world cup?
It is not like the need the notiriety as a mountain bike haven, need more people to use the hill, need to be more 'known'....everyone already knows it IS the destination for gravity heads.
Having a world cup would do nothing for them.

FlipFantasia · Mar 22, 2007

stiksandstones said:
Did anyone mention why whistler (as a town, mountain, etc...) would even 'invite' or 'want' a world cup?
It is not like the need the notiriety as a mountain bike haven, need more people to use the hill, need to be more 'known'....everyone already knows it IS the destination for gravity heads.
Having a world cup would do nothing for them.

they didn't ask anyone for it, it was asked of them to consider hosting it.

kiwidh · Mar 22, 2007

"We hope to be able to confirm the missing round soon, but it looks likely it will be hosted at Whistler, Vancouver, Canada. The UCI are in the final stages of negotiating for the venue and we understand it is 99% certain that Whistler will be holding the missing round."

that was on nzride.com March 19th - Still heard nothing further since.
http://www.nzride.com/hotnews.php

Getting hard for competitors because flights from down here start to get expensive or not available from this date onwards and still can't confirm when, where or even if travelling

stiksandstones · Mar 22, 2007

FlipFantasia said:
they didn't ask anyone for it, it was asked of them to consider hosting it.

See my post...
I asked why Whistler would want this, in addition to why would they invite it. I know the people at whistler are not doing a rain dance to get a world cup, was trying to make a point as to why everyone thinks whistler would even WANT it....they probably don't.

bizutch · Mar 22, 2007

stiksandstones said:
See my post...
I asked why Whistler would want this, in addition to why would they invite it. I know the people at whistler are not doing a rain dance to get a world cup, was trying to make a point as to why everyone thinks whistler would even WANT it....they probably don't.

it's so late in the game, they wouldn't even have time to plan the event...let alone host it.

DIRTWRKS · Mar 22, 2007

bizutch said:
it's so late in the game, they wouldn't even have time to plan the event...let alone host it.

What ! If any resort can pull it off on short notice they " Whistler" sure could.

SteezyWeezy · Mar 22, 2007

elRey said:
If they can have a Nationals at Skibowl, Mt Hood, they can have a World Cup at Platekille.

i 2nd the skibowl oregon vote:biggrin:

Cant Climb · Mar 23, 2007

Wonder how a WC would look against the backdrop and regalia of Crankworx and having it on a weekday...?....might look pretty poopy.....my impression is Whistler really isn't about racing, its about the fun casual side of gravity mtb......the races during Crankworx don't seem nearly as drop dead serious as a WC....

just some thoughts.....:huh:

DIRTWRKS · Mar 23, 2007

Cant Climb said:
Wonder how a WC would look against the backdrop and regalia of Crankworx and having it on a weekday...?....might look pretty poopy.....my impression is Whistler really isn't about racing, its about the fun casual side of gravity mtb......the races during Crankworx don't seem nearly as drop dead serious as a WC....

just some thoughts.....:huh:

Well, we had our Canadian DH Nationals during Crankworx last year and that was pretty serious and it was well run. While the other Crankworx races may not be as serious as a WC event most racers were still going all out.
For many of the younger participants it's one of the few times they get to race agaisnt racers from other countries as well. I was surprised at the amount of international racers at these events.

I think a WC fits in nicely at Crankworx , half of the elite WC racers are already at Crankworx anyways so why not get them hold a WC race.

Transcend · Mar 23, 2007

Cant Climb said:
the races during Crankworx don't seem nearly as drop dead serious as a WC....

just some thoughts.....:huh:

Last year during garbanzo the timing tent up top with the start laser blew away not even half way through the pro field. Everyone looked around and laughed. Serious isn't a word i'd use to describe the events, nope.

Dirtwrks: At nationals we were all sitting around out of the sun cracking jokes, sharing drinks, almost missing start times and watching jamie biluk make an ass out of himself with the commissaires. It was the most non serious race I have been to in a long time, and it was a national championship. The Whistler vibe rubbed off on everyone.

stiksandstones · Mar 23, 2007

Cant Climb said:
Wonder how a WC would look against the backdrop and regalia of Crankworx and having it on a weekday...?....might look pretty poopy.....my impression is Whistler really isn't about racing, its about the fun casual side of gravity mtb......the races during Crankworx don't seem nearly as drop dead serious as a WC....

just some thoughts.....:huh:

Excellent point and I personally like the 2 contrasts. The seriousness, nerves and drama of a world cup and the fun, who cares attitude at crankworks/whistler.

FlipFantasia · Mar 23, 2007

I actually think they wouldn't mind hosting the WC cause it would add a more 'serious' event at the end of two weekends of more laid back racing. Most of the infrastructure required would already be in place so I don't think it would be a huge stretch to add on the WC for an extra weekend. Maybe they don't have to hold a WC to add to their reputation, but at the same time, it's still a huge thing to add to their 'resume' you could say. It may not be the primary focus, high level racing, but a LOT of people in the valley would love to see this event happen....

DIRTWRKS · Mar 23, 2007

Transcend said:
Last year during garbanzo the timing tent up top with the start laser blew away not even half way through the pro field. Everyone looked around and laughed. Serious isn't a word i'd use to describe the events, nope.

Dirtwrks: At nationals we were all sitting around out of the sun cracking jokes, sharing drinks, almost missing start times and watching jamie biluk make an ass out of himself with the commissaires. It was the most non serious race I have been to in a long time, and it was a national championship. The Whistler vibe rubbed off on everyone.

Well , not everyone was that laid back, it was a National Championship and for a number of racers that I know very well and who also made it to the podium, they took it very seriously !

Transcend · Mar 23, 2007

I dunno about that. Tyler, LP and evryone else was right there. Even mr ball of nerves Mitchell was cracking jokes. Sure they were serious on their bikes, but the atmosphere was MUCH more laid back than any canadian event I have ever attended besides last year's chromefest. The only person at all who took that event seriously was LP.

DIRTWRKS · Mar 23, 2007

Transcend said:
I dunno about that. Tyler, LP and evryone else was right there. Even mr ball of nerves Mitchell was cracking jokes. Sure they were serious on their bikes, but the atmosphere was MUCH more laid back than any canadian event I have ever attended besides last year's chromefest. The only person at all who took that event seriously was LP.

Please don't mention Chromefest, that was a real joke !

But I think as others have mentioned the Crankworx ambience did rub off on everyone and made it appear that they were not that serious. You know when in Rome do like the ............

TheInedibleHulk · Mar 23, 2007

Despite some possibly conflicting philosophies, I could see a world cup at whistler evolving into the biggest and most talked about event in the mountain bike season. Crankworks draws a decent handful of top pros for DH and is becoming hugely attended, imagine if everyone was there at one time.

FlipFantasia · Mar 23, 2007

that's a shame, cdn open should be a blast though!

dhbuilder · Mar 23, 2007

oh, for want of a chairlift and hotels at the bottom of the mt.

ÃX · Mar 23, 2007

dang, o well, time to start saving for scotland/slovainia back to back.

davetrump · Mar 23, 2007

bcd said:
dang, o well, time to start saving for scotland/slovainia back to back.

alex, i think lee and i are going to do schladming. i shoukd know in a week or two if i can pull it off.

sirbikealot · Mar 23, 2007

FlipFantasia said:
I actually think they wouldn't mind hosting the WC cause it would add a more 'serious' event at the end of two weekends of more laid back racing. Most of the infrastructure required would already be in place so I don't think it would be a huge stretch to add on the WC for an extra weekend. Maybe they don't have to hold a WC to add to their reputation, but at the same time, it's still a huge thing to add to their 'resume' you could say. It may not be the primary focus, high level racing, but a LOT of people in the valley would love to see this event happen....

Crankworx has add the "Canadian Open DH" for 2007, this is their attempt at drawing more big gun DH racers, and it will likely work especially since the world cup lost a DH and 4X World Cup race for 2007 now that only the XC will be replaced at St Felicien, QC

and its likely that the US won't see another World Cup for a couple years at best, whereas Gestev is seen a s a world leader in Event Organization

thomas · Mar 23, 2007

stiksandstones said:
You guys arguing that Platekill sucks, been to races, how cool you are, is funny.
Go to Vars, Stellenbosch, Hindelang, Zaragoza, Leysin, etc...and tell me about those places-nevermind, I have been there and they are all ****ty 'venues' that had great world cup racing action.

Point is, this is not F1, Nascar we are promoting here, so a 1950's lodge is not the worst thing that could happen. I do not even think platekill is one of the options, but IF it were, it could be pulled off.

Even if the WC gets held at Whistler, the place everyone thinks is the holy land for mountain biking, will Microsoft come in as a title sponsor? no. Point I am trying to make is put on a good event, regardless of location and it will be a success.

Look at fontucky, in 20 years of going to races I can not think of a bigger pile of crap venue-BUT, Donnie puts on a good race and it seems to work for people, I do not know how, but it does.

Hope that all made a little sense, I am watching my kid put jelly all over our dog and it has me stressed out.

or another classic: nevegal, but at least they had some decent hotels there, still in the middle of nowhere, drove from Austria and it took me ages to get there...loved the mountain road up to the actual resort though and hanging out in belluno...

Thomas

FlipFantasia · Mar 23, 2007

sirbikealot said:
Crankworx has add the "Canadian Open DH" for 2007, this is their attempt at drawing more big gun DH racers, and it will likely work especially since the world cup lost a DH and 4X World Cup race for 2007 now that only the XC will be replaced at St Felicien, QC

and its likely that the US won't see another World Cup for a couple years at best, whereas Gestev is seen a s a world leader in Event Organization

yeah I know about the open, stoked on that and actually considering manning-up! been a while since I've competed in a bigger race...the world cup is on a completely different level though...oh well, gonna be an awesome few weeks regardless!

Pbody · Mar 23, 2007

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Originally Posted by Pbody
So it comes down to Whistler not wanting to lose their lift-ticket revenue for a weekend!?!?!? Niiiiicccce!

ThePriceSeliger said:
That's how they run. Their weekends are REDICULOUSLY crowded. They make so much money on lift tickets, and that is how they make the mountain so great. It doesn't surprise me.

What I meant by "Niiiccceee!" is how amazing it is that a resort can make more money from a weekend full of riders hanging out and riding than hosting a World Cup event, the premier event that everyone aims to participate in and spectate at. It's a big slap in the face of the UCI.

Whistler to UCI: "No, we don't want to host your event because we won't make as much money as we would on our own!"

Pretty damn funny!!

And yes, holiday weekends in Canada are awesome. Canada Day in Whistler . . . . game on!

davetrump · Mar 23, 2007

Pbody said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pbody
So it comes down to Whistler not wanting to lose their lift-ticket revenue for a weekend!?!?!? Niiiiicccce!

What I meant by "Niiiccceee!" is how amazing it is that a resort can make more money from a weekend full of riders hanging out and riding than hosting a World Cup event, the premier event that everyone aims to participate in and spectate at. It's a big slap in the face of the UCI.

Whistlerto UCI: "No, we don't want to host your event because we won't make as much money as we would on our own!"

Pretty damn funny!!

And yes, holiday weekends in Canada are awesome. Canada Day in Whistler . . . . game on!

no one knows why they could not work out a deal... lets not start rumors

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