The advanced jump line is closed until Friday. I worked on lips of the jumps today and used a dirt/concrete mix that will take a few days to dry.
Thanks
-Kim
Thanks
-Kim
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Colonnade Trail Closers
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For people who ride the park:
We need riders to help us by respecting closures. Mike Westra is currently the only person getting paid to build and maintain the park, the rest of us are volunteers.
Right now City and Evergreen are working out a long-term maintenance agreement. So there is no official statement or official work parties. But volunteers are still working to make sure everything stays dialed.
There are many ways of helping at the park and a big one is helping us police ourselves, so that we don't have to keep going back and re-doing work.
What Fuzzy is doing is actually a test and there are other soil hardeners we'd like to test out. This will not only keep tread groomed long-term, we're also looking at it for options to keep the dust down. Any type of dirt work, even if just patching back up with wet soil takes time to set-up.
If you can't be beside us with shovel, be our voice, and let other riders know. Don't get in an argument over it, some people just suck. If you see someone take down obstacles and closed tape who you know for sure are just poaching, put them back up, or email Westra. Mwestra@Evergreenmtb.org
We need riders to help us by respecting closures. Mike Westra is currently the only person getting paid to build and maintain the park, the rest of us are volunteers.
Right now City and Evergreen are working out a long-term maintenance agreement. So there is no official statement or official work parties. But volunteers are still working to make sure everything stays dialed.
There are many ways of helping at the park and a big one is helping us police ourselves, so that we don't have to keep going back and re-doing work.
What Fuzzy is doing is actually a test and there are other soil hardeners we'd like to test out. This will not only keep tread groomed long-term, we're also looking at it for options to keep the dust down. Any type of dirt work, even if just patching back up with wet soil takes time to set-up.
If you can't be beside us with shovel, be our voice, and let other riders know. Don't get in an argument over it, some people just suck. If you see someone take down obstacles and closed tape who you know for sure are just poaching, put them back up, or email Westra. Mwestra@Evergreenmtb.org
You could also taze them.
Isn't there a soil hardener the military uses ot has used for roads and airfields? I would think that could be ideal for this
We could camp out at the bottom of the trail and slap their wrist as they ride by.
There's no way to police this stuff. But i think if more people understand the process, most all people want to do the right thing.
Yup, i'm with you. Evergreen is holding 2 types of product samples on these, so these will be tested too.
Not me. I want to ruin it for everyone.
Not to underestimate them, but I doubt Evergreen has a military-type budget.
If they get this next grant they'll have more than the Canadian Military...Not to underestimate them, but I doubt Evergreen has a military-type budget.
'Closers' = Closures?
Oh yes thank you so much for correcting my spelling, very important on these BB's.
Heading down today to check it out, I will keep yall updated.
Heading down today to check it out, I will keep yall updated.
yall = y'all
Just keeping the posts consistent..
Just keeping the posts consistent..
Hey what ever makes feel good about yourself.
Gosh darn interweb self proclaimed English/Grammar professors!!!!!
Line is now open, the cement/dirt mix seams to work well!
Table Top:
Bridge Jump:
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I was waiting for a joke on that comment.
That close up pic was taken after we hit it a bunch of times, did not even leave a mark! Just have to see how it holds up with time.
Have to see how it flows when it drys out more but I might make the bridge jump lip another 8 inchs taller, I noticed the landing has a bit of a flat spot in it now to.
Pump track is still closed.
That close up pic was taken after we hit it a bunch of times, did not even leave a mark! Just have to see how it holds up with time.
Have to see how it flows when it drys out more but I might make the bridge jump lip another 8 inchs taller, I noticed the landing has a bit of a flat spot in it now to.
Pump track is still closed.
Not only do they look nice...they are nice. The table especially has a nice pop to it. I didn't have to brake-check like I used to before the recent up-pimp.
We're definitely going to have to try the soil hardener with the rollers on Pip's line, as well as the landing for the top hip.
We're definitely going to have to try the soil hardener with the rollers on Pip's line, as well as the landing for the top hip.
take off looks nice what about landing?
The landings are not bad right now, few "pot holes" , they could all use 5-6 buckets of dirt to make them just right. Would you be intreseted in making that happen?
Someone else is expermenting with some other soil stablizers. Will see how that goes, the landing for the "Drop-Zone" is going to need something along those lines.
Someone else is expermenting with some other soil stablizers. Will see how that goes, the landing for the "Drop-Zone" is going to need something along those lines.
I used a mix of portland concrete and clay/dirt 1:5 ratio. There is more concrete in a trash bag on the back of the wall ride. I think this would work for landings as well, check out the lips to the table top and bridge jump next time your there. After I was done shaping the lips I hosed it down well and then let it dry for 2-3 days. Hopefully it will hold up well.
Ask Mike about the soil stabilizer, he said someone there was experamenting with it, the pump track guys maybe....
Ask Mike about the soil stabilizer, he said someone there was experamenting with it, the pump track guys maybe....
Me and the pump track guys are looking to try out the soil hardener on the pump track. But things can change. The important thing is to get someone to learn how to apply it right, block it off so it can set up, and see how it goes. You're supposed to mix it with water, jizz it on the dirt, or mix it into the dirt and pack it down, and stay off of it for 3 days, and it's supposed to turn the dirt to concrete.
So if the Center Cycle boys and me don't get it figured out soon, we'll gladly pass it off to someone else willing to do it. dirtmover give us a few days to see how motivated we are, me personally i got alot on my plate, and my main motivation is to see this stuff get used and see how it holds up. i believe in it far more than i do the dirty concrete mix method.
Glad to hear people are enjoying the touch ups. I would like to try riding the line in some dryer conditions, it was super wet when I was there.
It will be interesting to see how they hold up over time.
It will be interesting to see how they hold up over time.
Yep -- we've got enough SoilTac to cover 1,000 sq.ft. and we're looking for a place to experiment on. It costs ~$20 per 100 sq.ft for the goop. The cost really lies in all the prep work and complexity involved in applying it. I'm scouting around looking for volunteers who want to lead an experiment... it'll take a big chunk o' time. Maybe half on the pump track (the dry/covered side) and half on some jumps or landings (better for areas under the freeway deck).
We'll get the most out of the soil stabilizer if we use it under the canopy where it's dry. Because the hip landing is exposed, we should be able to harden that up with better dirt and some crushed rock with fines. I don't know what the deal is with that dirt... really slimy, but doesn't seem like clay. (decades of hobo doodoo perhaps?) Try moving a bunch of the really sandy stuff from the pile at the bottom and mixing that in with the slime. Then as soon as we get this grant (keep your fingers crossed), there's $$ in there for soil hardening... we'll buy some 5/8- crushed to mix in. Then, mixing in the remainder of the Portland cement definitely won't hurt.
Or, if anybody has a pickup truck... you can fill it with crushed rock from Glacier for $20. Bring the receipt/ticket and I'll pay you back. Get ahold of me and I'll give set you up with out rates. Then you can drive in to the south end and toter/bucket it up to the hip. mwestra at evergreenMTB dot com.
Most definitely. But because it's so steep and exposed to rain, I don't know if the soil stabilizer will work. We'd need to really compact the landing and let it harden first... then we can apply Soiltac and it may take.
What do y'all think of a big-ass carpet? Sounds cheezy, but I'm starting to see 'em pup up in BC.
Carpets don't work very well if you ask me. They get all warped after getting wet and hurt like hell when you skid on them. Might work to limit damage until a better solution can be had, though.
After riding up in BC this last summer I found that the fine crushed gravel piled in deep and then compacted held up the best and felt the best on landings.
The Joyride drop zone at Whistler does that, and seems to hold up. Silver Star also does the same thing on a lot of their drops and it works great.
I think besides the smell issue that will come up carpet could create the sort of bum like dirty appearance that the city and local residence wanted to get ride of before the bike park.
It would look a bit getto but I don't think people who are not riding the park even make it over to that area. It would be a short term fix. I think by next summer that landing will be soild, it wasnt built very long ago and never got the chance to firm/dry up. I think its in pretty good shape considering its totaly exposed.
Once it is soild, be it just naturaly by riding it or by adding something to the dirt mix, the rain will just run off. Even at the hight of the rain the last 1/2 of the berm was dry, we were riding that last section at night.
Update on K-Line: I was able to check out the line now that it is fairly dry. The cement mix in the lips is holding up well, parts of the lips below were the cement mix was added has started to crumble slightly. I plain to add more cement/clay mix on the lower parts of the lip to keep a "groove" from forming. I am thinking that the table top lip is about perfect now (landing could use a few more buckets...).
For the lip on the brige gap I would like to make bigger in general. I am going to make it 8 inchs taller but also add more dirt/cement in the center, basiclly just make it a little bigger so one can flow into it and still get good amount of air. The landing also need some more dirt, its got a bit of a flat spot right after the bridge.
For the lip on the brige gap I would like to make bigger in general. I am going to make it 8 inchs taller but also add more dirt/cement in the center, basiclly just make it a little bigger so one can flow into it and still get good amount of air. The landing also need some more dirt, its got a bit of a flat spot right after the bridge.
I dont know if it needs to be much bigger. If I get to much speed and pump at the base of the bridge I will land with the front end flat bottom and that is not fun.
I feel it is the best it has been as far as the lips go.
The berm from the transfer on k line does need some help other then that is good.
I feel it is the best it has been as far as the lips go.
The berm from the transfer on k line does need some help other then that is good.
Im not usually one to say dont make the jump bigger but.... I kinda agree. I went into it with the same speed i normally did before you guys made changes to it and my front tire hit the flat after the landing. Of course this is just my opinion but i think the landing is all that needs work. The takeoff feels excellent. Easy to get good air at moderate speeds and clear the thing.
Are you guys peddling into it becuse I crank in my hardest gear without going to far. My thought was to make it so you dont have to peddle as much and also to send you a bit higher not nessarlly further if that makes sence. If I did make it bigger it would only be a matter of 6-8 inchs....
Thanks for the feed back,
Thanks for the feed back,
what is the Transfer berm on k-line that you mentioned? Is that the little turns before the table top? I did a little work on that last time I was there with a rake and watered down the dusty parts, I think the rake is still there if things need a quick grooming. That whole section from the landing of the hip needs a touch up, theres a bit of a hole forming on the right side of the landing.