Sram xo 2011
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It's going the wrong way. Less gears, not more. They need to make a DH group with 7-8 gears.
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The black cog on the cassette makes me think of a 6-speed Shimano freewheel.
I want:
-fewer gears
-Products released in 2010 to be named 2010 products.
-fewer gears
-Products released in 2010 to be named 2010 products.
I'm with you. Looks super cheap in that photo.
There you have it, black cocg is the biggest, period.
Anyway I kinda wish SRAM made an 8-speed FR/DH dedicated Drivetrain that supports custom cog numbers / arrangements.
And a nice chain device on top of it.
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Color change, more speeds, and releasing stuff a year early is all designed to make you buy it. And you will because marketing research says you will. The next time you look at 09 X.O stuff it won't look the same, it will have lost some of its hotness, because you now have seen the new stuff.
so is it overpriced like the XX stuff?
Has the Powerdome cassette dribbled down to XO? Looking at that picture it may seem so... Maybe the single black cog is aluminum? And looking down the center of the stack it looks to be a tube as can be found on XX.
Pure speculation, my Google machine is not working.
Pure speculation, my Google machine is not working.
I can't see them ever producing an actual DH-centric group, the market is just too small, despite the 20 Monkeys that are going to pipe up on here claiming they'd buy it... I doubt they take that into consideration.
They have the cranks, brakes, and shifters. What I'd like to see is a quality 6 speed cassette with appropriate DH gearing that can be taken apart (unlike XX or XO) so as to modify the spread. Hell, maybe they could see it with a few extra cog options as well. I want to see something like this but with XO quality, not some cheaper take-apart PG930 cassette. Make it the same spacing as the current standard so as to work w/ their 9 speed shifters and have them solve the too short/too weak limit screw issues on the high end SRAM der's.
i love the x.o now, i have it on every one of my bikes...not sure im that psyched on this and i agree it looks cheap.
whats up with the crank looks like you must run a big ring, that is a major miss if i am correct.
why the hell are these companies not listening to us we dont need 10 speeds i want 5-6 with a nice short chain and a tight setup...
whats up with the crank looks like you must run a big ring, that is a major miss if i am correct.
why the hell are these companies not listening to us we dont need 10 speeds i want 5-6 with a nice short chain and a tight setup...
Look ok, but i think something looks wrong....
And why 10.. i would never use 10, 3 to 4 at most.. 5 if im feeling sexy!
Is this like a freeride group set now?
And why 10.. i would never use 10, 3 to 4 at most.. 5 if im feeling sexy!
Is this like a freeride group set now?
do you only use 3 or 4 gears when you are climbing your xc bike?
Screw that! I want 10 gears on the back of my AM bike!
SRAM's 9 speed system is so dialed that I never have to touch it really. I run XO on my 6" everything bike and put in a load of miles, lots in mud and crap, and it's awesome. I wouldn't hesitate to give 10 cogs a go... as long as it's from SRAM. Firstly, I want that 36 tooth cog, and secondly I want smaller jumps.
I remember when I first start running Shimano 9 speed, it sucked! I gave it a few tries as I went back and forth from 8 to 9, but I eventually gave up and stuck w/ Shimano 8 speed. Then out came SRAM's 1:1 and it was waaay more reliable, better than Shimano's 8 speed systems even. I have faith that SRAM can make a reliable 10 speed mtb group that doesn't need massaging after every other ride.
11-36 10 speed cassette w/ a single 36 up front, 'nuff said.
SRAM cranks are crap, never run them.
SRAM cranks are crap, never run them.
I am talking about pure dh...5-6 is optimal tops
this isnt a DH groupo
I'm not 100% on board with the 10spd stuff. I'm not 100% against it either. I just hope they offer 9spd XO shifters for several more years while people ride the new stuff, because I'm not chomping at the bit to guinea pig this time.
And as a diehard SRAM rider, I agree - looks cheap. Could be the heavily animated picture though.
And as a diehard SRAM rider, I agree - looks cheap. Could be the heavily animated picture though.
no 10 speed gripshift? you suck
i get it but plenty of us use x.o for dh, and this is a DH forum.
:insert face palm here:
pair the deraileur and shifter with a 11-23 Red cassette and it could be pretty sweet for dh...although that is a butt load of gears, and i do agree the group as a whole looks pretty cheap, and i swear by sram 
Well said, def prefer that myself, leave XX to the 10spd gear heads, tried to pick up std 9spd road cassette for the DH bike here and all anyone stocks is 10spd dam pain in the arse, order in, no wonder LBS struggle might as well buy online, this does not really excite me.
Other interesting other comments in this thread like there's not a big enough market for it? yet Shimano see fit to have a specific set called Saint
I'm not excited seeing where Sram is going either if they are looking to trickle down 10spd and drop 9spd like as happened to 8spd high end groups years back, if this happens and Saint is still 9spd then it might make me change listen to the market Sram [long time fan here but this will rock me like STI mtb did with Shimano back in 03]
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There you have it ladies and gents, it rocks
When you get everything for free, and you have a team of mechanics to work on your bike for you after every run, and you have a fleet of spare bikes, then ya, 10 speed might be the way to go.
But for those of us who:
A. ride rocky terrain that beats the crap out of your bike
B. Have to pay for our gear
C. Have to work on our own stuff
D. Like riding more than wrenching
then this XO stuff is nothing less than retarded.
Hell, that's the case for Sram stuff in general, especially considering the derailleurs are 'one hit wonders'.
Well said, def prefer that myself, leave XX to the 10spd gear heads, tried to pick up std 9spd road cassette for the DH bike here and all anyone stocks is 10spd dam pain in the arse, order in, no wonder LBS struggle might as well buy online, this does not really excite me.
Other interesting other comments in this thread like there's not a big enough market for it? yet Shimano see fit to have a specific set called Saint
I'm not excited seeing where Sram is going either if they are looking to trickle down 10spd and drop 9spd like as happened to 8spd high end groups years back, if this happens and Saint is still 9spd then it might make me change listen to the market Sram [long time fan here but this will rock me like STI mtb did with Shimano back in 03]
What I meant by that, besides most of the Saint group being overbuilt, is that there really isn't a DH race specific group, which is what such a tight ratio 5/6 speed cassette would be used for. I'm sure lots of Monkeys will disagree, but I want DH parts that are light-ish and strong... not DH parts that are at home on some kids 47 lb '04 Big Hit. Saint is not DH race specific, its freeride/DH friendly.
wUrd. Got tired of that and went back to shimano. Got tired of those, then went SS, never looked back. It's nice to not have to spend hundreds a year on cassettes/chains/derailleurs/shifters, and to just pick up your bike after it tumbles through rocks and not have to f*** with the drivetrain.
i think you should learn to ride if you were constantly spend hundreds a year on cassettes/chains/derailleurs/shifters
Shimano is going the same way.
http://lordonone.blogspot.com/2010/01/2011-sram-x0-and-shimano-xtr.html
http://lordonone.blogspot.com/2010/01/2011-sram-x0-and-shimano-xtr.html
"those of us" being downhill guys. for all mountain, this seems great, and i'm sure it'll be stupid light and appeal to those XC folks too. i think the bigger issue isn't that SRAM is turning X.0 into a 10 speed group, but that they're failing to replace the old high end 9 speed with something that will work for people that are more abusive.
as for the ongoing requests for a 5 or 6 speed cassette option with a nice solid derailleur, it sounds great if you race or just ride resorts/shuttle. i don't think that any company is going to jump on that any time soon because its not versatile at all. it subdivides what is already a subgroup of what most companies would probably generalize as "extreme riding". some people like having a larger gear range because their trails are inconsistent or require some pedaling, i just don't think any companies would be able to make a profit.
some might say that 10spd is too niche as well, but 10 speed has the potential to move into other disciplines and is already targeted at the mountain biking sect. 5-6 speed can't do that. that's not to say i wouldn't appreciate that kind of product, i just don't think it could happen.
people thought 10 speed for road bikes was stupid. they now have 11speeds
Shimano makes a DH specific group that seems to do well..... I know for one i'll be going to saint to avoid 10 speed
Wow, talk about splitting hairs. Having a 'lightish and strong' groupset is exactly what the new Saint is.
Lol....
If you're running 9sp you should replace at least 1 chain a year, plus 1 casette, minimum just from normal wear and tear
Plus you'll probably go through at least 1 derailleur and 1 shifter if you're riding "real" DH.
Using basic retail prices from Jensonusa for varies mid-high level products
$50 for cassette+$15 for chain+$159 for an XO (if you're dumb enough to run that) + $80 for an XO shifter (again, if you're retarded enough to run that) = roughly $300
So ya, that's hundreds if you're running XO stuff. And you'll probably go through more than 1 chain and cassette if you're riding a lot, plus maybe a derailleur hanger or 2. Maybe you should learn math? Or ride real trails? Or ride more often?