It is more than just that. The regular pivot for the Stinky is welded on at the seat tube. The pivot for the Supreme has its on cross member. I cannot be certain, but I would have to imagine a separate tube is stronger than using the seat tube.Rik said:So the only real difference between the two is aesthetics, and weight? I wonder how much a few hundred grams is really worth...
You'd spend an extra $500 just for a paint job, a nicer headset, some clipless pedals, and a 1 lb weight penalty over the Stinky?Dirt rider said:...I would spring for the stab sup because I like its loks better.
What the F? You work in a Kona shop?dexterq20 said:The differences:
The Stab Supreme has "DH" aluminum tubing, where as the Stinky Supreme has "Clump" 7005 series aluminum tubing. I dunno what that means exactly, but I gotta assume the DH tubing will save a little bit of weight.
The Stab Supreme comes with an FSA Pig DH Pro headset (sealed cartridge bearings), where as the Stinky Supreme only has an FSA Pig headset (loose ball bearings).
The Stab Supreme is adjustable between 8 and 9 inches of travel. The Stinky Supreme is limited to 8 inches of travel.
The Stab Supreme comes with Shimano PD-M646 clipless pedals. The Stinky Supreme comes with Kona platform pedals.
The Stab Supreme comes with Tioga White Tiger 2.5" tires. The Stinky Supreme comes with Nokian NBX 2.5" tires.
The Stab Supreme comes with a bolt-on seat collar. The Stinky Supreme comes with a QR seat collar.
And finally, the Stab Supreme retails for US $4500. The Stinky Supreme retails for US $4000.
dexterq20 said:You'd spend an extra $500 just for a paint job, a nicer headset, some clipless pedals, and a 1 lb weight penalty over the Stinky?
Hahaha, nope. I was just bored, so I did some eResearch on Kona's website.sanjuro said:What the F? You work in a Kona shop?
Lame.. for that money get a custom....dexterq20 said:The differences:
The Stab Supreme has "DH" aluminum tubing, where as the Stinky Supreme has "Clump" 7005 series aluminum tubing. I dunno what that means exactly, but I gotta assume the DH tubing will save a little bit of weight.
The Stab Supreme comes with an FSA Pig DH Pro headset (sealed cartridge bearings), where as the Stinky Supreme only has an FSA Pig headset (loose ball bearings).
The Stab Supreme is adjustable between 8 and 9 inches of travel. The Stinky Supreme is limited to 8 inches of travel.
The Stab Supreme comes with Shimano PD-M646 clipless pedals. The Stinky Supreme comes with Kona platform pedals.
The Stab Supreme comes with Tioga White Tiger 2.5" tires. The Stinky Supreme comes with Nokian NBX 2.5" tires.
The Stab Supreme comes with a bolt-on seat collar. The Stinky Supreme comes with a QR seat collar.
And finally, the Stab Supreme retails for US $4500. The Stinky Supreme retails for US $4000.
Thats a crappy reason... get the Stab Supreme and get it painted... Wood Camo!!Racer-X said:i'll most likely be buying a Stinky Supreme this season so i did quite a bit of research on it the past couple of weeks and it looks like a great bike.
it might be a tad heavier than the Stab but i like the paint-scheme on the Stinky a LOT better than the red,white and blue on the Stab. it seems pretty flashy and doesn't actually look all that good-i'd much rather have the battleship grey and you've GOT to have BLACK ::evil::
There's no room to clamp one to the seat tube, and I don't think an e-type would fit around the swingarm pivot either. If you want two front rings then buy the stinky deelux- or better yet buy mine (... shameless plug....).juice said:Do you guys know if its possible to throw a derailleur and dual rings up front?
Shiver said:Thats a crappy reason... get the Stab Supreme and get it painted... Wood Camo!!
I could run the inner plate style ghetto chainguide setup where you change to granny by hand to grunt up the climbs, so this bike is still looking sweet to me. Freeriding around here you have to be able to climb logging roads.zane said:no room to clamp one to the seat tube, and I don't think an e-type would fit
HGR Frucci said:Just got my '05 Stab Supreme frame in this weekend. As for the differences in the Stinky and Stab frames - there are none as far as I could tell based on spec. I preferred the red/white/blue so I opted for the Stab Sup.
Things to note:
- Make sure you re-loctite, and tension, all of your bolts. My lower shock mount bolt was quasi-loose and needed some blue loctite treatment.
- There is no provision for a conventionally mounted rear brake. I suspect that you may see an alternate seat stay become available at some point this year, although the floater construction is pretty burly while not being extremely heavy.[/list
- Hub options: As the frame comes, you can only run the Sun 150mm hub. Place the thin spacer on the outboard side of the floater, and the thicker one between the hub and floater (mine didn't arrive this way). Otherwise, you'll have a clearance issue with the rotor bolts. Also another point - either way, you need to use Hayes (or equivalent) low profile rotor bolts to avoid interference with the floater. All in all, the assembly, once together, is VERY solid and well contained - as opposed to other floaters I've seen/ridden (think Chumba Zulu dangling floater).
- With a "shortened" non-drive side axle, a Hadley 150mm would easily work with the right spacer configuration. I unfortuntately sold mine before the frame arrived, but the fix to make it work would be pretty easy with a couple of tools.
All in all, I'm very impressed with the construction of the frame. Although the frame is "burley" I'm still anticipating a 40-42lb build. This is my first Kona and my first (personal) floater bike, and I'm really psyched to get it on it! Looks like the maiden voyage will be Windrock in Mid-April.
Thanks goes out to my new co-sponsor this season: Gravity Warehouse (www.gravitywarehouse.com) in Southwick, Mass! I took last year off from racing to have some family time, and Seth was happy to help get me back on a bike this season!
Thanks again and I'll post some complete build pictures this week.
JF
Yes. Or at least it is as close to linear as the previous versions were. It stays right around 3.2:1 - 3.3:1 throughout the travel if my memory serves me right.Anders said:is the suspension travel still linear?
Using the '05 Avid Juicy 7 brakes straight out of the box I have about 2-3" too much hose for my rear brake which results in me having to do some totally messed up zip-tying/cable routing near the handlebars until I can get the hose cut. It is a fairly direct route to the rear brake from the headtube so it's common to put on more cable than it necessary. I haven't measured it, but for a medium frame knock about 2-3" off whatever the stock length is for an 8" rear Juicy 7.snide said:The rear brake hose seems to be a really long run 5.5' + Hope hoses are only 5' new. What are people running for hoses?
How does the bike change according to the floaters positioning? Earlier someone mentioned it makes the bike "squat" What does that mean?
Any other tricks?