Amen brother
2011 Turner DHR!!!
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like what?
4 or 5 DW DHR's has been delivered through the distributor here in Norway, no sponsored riders here. A few Small, two Medium's I think and a XL has made it here already.
Um, everything else on the market...
How many 5+ year old DH race bikes do you see out there that are being ridden hard still today. Very few have that type of longevity. It is hilarious what a few hundred dollars of difference makes to some people when their build kits are exceeding $3K.
Unfortunately most people don't think about lasting value and longevity when they purchase. They think about what can I have now, even if it'll only last one or two seasons and they end up spending more money in the long run. Hopefully they learn over time.
I definitely place value on quality and longevity. Actually, it's the only way I buy these days. If it's a pricepoint product, I generally look elsewhere.
Happy to say, I'm still riding my 2005 sovereign regularly and my clipless pedals from 1995
I still see quite a few IH Sundays out there. Not just WC's but the Taiwanese made jammies too. just saying theres some 06/07 bikes still getting ridden hard.
rofl, you couldn't possibly have fun on a non dw non ridemonkey approved bike! look at the session 88 - super fun when it first came out, but now it breaks if you look at it sideways and it couldn't possibly ride well.
So you know from a bunch of renderings, prototypes and some pics of the first production models that you have seen on the internet that this frame will last 5+ years?
To answer your question in a more serious way: Orange, Sunday, M3, Nicolai, V10, some last generation M1 for example!
Yes, I am still riding my original Sunday of the first US batch. No racing the last couple of years and not too much riding this season. Still riding with the old links too. I have always taken good care of it and made sure everything was kept in good shape.
Ive been beating on a demo 9 since 2004, i still have it now, love it!
Who is the usual buyer of Dave Turner bikes? Guy who maybe prefers US made products, has no serious problem with spending few kilos $ at that particular time and very probably is experiecned rider so he doesn't ride like a pig. I think the turner guy is quite different from all those mainstream youngsters.
Any of those companies you listed there that would replace, repair or fix a WC level race frame that was purchased from a factory rider for free? 4 years after it was used on the circuit.So you know from a bunch of renderings, prototypes and some pics of the first production models that you have seen on the internet that this frame will last 5+ years?
To answer your question in a more serious way: Orange, Sunday, M3, Nicolai, V10, some last generation M1 for example!
I have about 500 images from a recent race maybe 100 or so racers in it. Probably less than 15 of those bikes were older that 4 years. There were 2 Sundays, 2 2001-2003 Gen DHR's maybe 5 2004-2007 DHR's and I saw 2 M1's and that is about it.
So it may be different where you live but from what I have seen in california it holds true in most locations. Now it also heavily depends on a rider and the level they are at how long a frame will last. It is 100% personal preference on what frame or parts to run. For $6100 the MSRP on the high end Demo you could also build a DHR with the same or better kit.
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seriously?
This thread sure started sucking quickly...
Where I live, and have lived, I see quite a few Iron Horses, a lot of Specializeds, plenty of Konas, the odd Norco, plenty of Giants... but strangely enough, no Turners. The only person I know who's ridden Turners for years has managed to break all four of the frames he's had - fortunately for him, Turner backed them up and warrantied everything he broke VERY promptly. On top of that, you have NO idea just how strong the new DHR is or is not - it's been available to the public for a couple of weeks, so trying to claim that it's stronger than anything else is purely speculation.
Regardless, my point was that you can HAVE JUST AS MUCH FUN on cheaper bikes, and not to bitch about paying $x for the most expensive bike on the market when you could just go and buy, well, anything else instead if you want a cheaper bike. It might not be quite as flash, but spend a few days in Whistler and see who the most excited riders are - usually the guys on the flogged out Kona rental bikes.
If you want a bike that rides extremely nicely, pedals very efficiently, is lightweight, finely tuned, well-supported by the mfg, torx yaw ballz etc then cough up... if price is a big issue, buy something else.
How hard is it, really?
Socket, very true a Giant Glory is half the price of the DHR and a great bike.
on the other hand I wouldn't ride a kona if it was given to me, they flat out suck
on the other hand I wouldn't ride a kona if it was given to me, they flat out suck
When's the last time you rode one?
Kona's top end dh bikes are pretty legit.
Besides, glorys are too steep. Yes I'm serious.
Definitely NOT the typical Turner buyer hahaha.
Don't you think that you already paid for that service up front? At least Turner is not losing money on this, otherwise they wouldn't be in business for so long. Think about it.
Talk about biased "statistics".
I am not arguing that the old DHRs were solid and that the new DW DHR might be riding great (according to the first reviews). But it has no proven track record yet and is priced on the upper end of the scale which makes me think that they want to benefit from the hype they created and make some serious $$$. Good marketing approach and it obviously works.
Besides, glorys are too steep. Yes I'm serious.
ok I don't see anyone having trouble with them, Duncan Riffle and Danny Hart are using stock headsets last I heard. If it is too steep then use a Cane Creek or Works HS.
$1600 for that frame is a great deal
Not really. If they wanted to simply order the original DHR from SAPA right now and produce more of them, the cost would be MOSTLY the same to replicate it as it would be for the new model.
Per Dave, SAPA would charge them a whole new set of fees based on a revised cost structure and production model that the 08 DHR was not produced under.
I asked him about this to see if they could keep producing the 08 DHR in new colors and redesigned graphics, 1.5 headtube, etc as a mid-range USA made frameset. And he explained SAPA would start them from scratch to produce it and re-tool the whole thing.
Hope that helps some understand.
Oh, and anybody on here who thinks Turner or any other mid-leve or high volume bike company makes money on DH bikes is sadly mistaken. Bikes like 5 spots, Stumpjumpers and Blurs pay the bills.
It's the Corvette model of business. Chevy loses money on every one made. But people come to the dealership to see it, aspire to it...but buy an Impala...lots of Impalas.
It's the Corvette model of business. Chevy loses money on every one made. But people come to the dealership to see it, aspire to it...but buy an Impala...lots of Impalas.
I don't care what those guys do to be honest. I've ridden one. Besides, you don't know they're running stock setups. Let me just say you'd be surprised what some guys riding those things have done to them.
Either way, it was just a jab at all the chaos that went on with those things. I genuinely liked the bike and don't really care that much about debating minutia of something that's easy to tweak.
You're right though about the angleset and the price of the frames. I think CC is going to create their own small fortune on those things over the next few years. Because of that thing, 1.5 frames will sell more.
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As if that means anything, I've seen the numbers on the internet!
I see, thanks for clarification. Sounds to me that he should start up his own fabrication.
Just out of curiosity I would love to know what a DW DHR made in Taiwan would go for. Same as the Pivot? What was the difference for the Sunday?
Doubt Dave minds me stirring the pot on this, since he enjoys reading reactionary comments online, but here goes.
He's researched carbon in the not too distant past. Discuss amongst yourselves.
He's researched carbon in the not too distant past. Discuss amongst yourselves.
Don't pretend like you're not a fanboi too. You know you want one. It's never too late to be assimilated.Man, we have a real insider here.
Are you and Dave in the same bunco group?
Why on Earth would they retool when you already have the tooling and fixtures? I'd say keep making them and don't change a damn thing, but try to bring the price down.Not really. If they wanted to simply order the original DHR from SAPA right now and produce more of them, the cost would be MOSTLY the same to replicate it as it would be for the new model.
Per Dave, SAPA would charge them a whole new set of fees based on a revised cost structure and production model that the 08 DHR was not produced under.
I asked him about this to see if they could keep producing the 08 DHR in new colors and redesigned graphics, 1.5 headtube, etc as a mid-range USA made frameset. And he explained SAPA would start them from scratch to produce it and re-tool the whole thing.
Hope that helps some understand.
Surely it would be worth a company like Turner doing their own fab in house?
All bunch on nonsense talking about the price!!! Im from Malaysia and i don't even care about the price tag, as long as the product is good and has quality back up with a great after sale service by the company! I bought the DHR as soon as it was released and haven't look back since! Been riding it for a year now and it blows all other DH frames out there. Details no the frame is comparable to none! USD3000, its damn cheap if you ask me, and I'm not from the US of A either.
Amazing post thank you very much for the thread resurrection I feel enlightened.
Whatever, I actually liked the post because it made me think about how to arrange a DHR such that it was providing oral pleasure to another bike (<-- giving head tube?).
I read the book "all corvettes are red" which details the trials and tribulations of the making of the Corvette C5. It was one of the most sound models from a business perspective that GM made when released - which is surprising, but was one of the triumphs of the development team in resurrecting the Corvette brand, restoring its quality, performance and viability. Its a good read.
Did they delve into mustache culture?
Can't get into a serious discussion about corvettes without addressing the mustache.
my friends dad had a C5 and now a C6. he parks it at the uni he teaches at and lets birds poop on it, drags his golf clubs in and out of the back hatch, and doesn't have a mustache. it also gets 30+ mpg on the freeway if you want it to, not bad for a car that can glue your eyeballs to any part of your skull you wish.
on the other hand, i put one of those talking alarms in a C5 a while ago...and he did have a mustache
on the other hand, i put one of those talking alarms in a C5 a while ago...and he did have a mustache
Excellent observation by Woo. Hell, the one and only guy I know who rocks a porn-stache drives a Vette (ZR-1 era). I can only assume the Vette <--> 'stache relationship is analogous to the IROC-Z <--> Kentucky waterfall mullet theorem.
That seems like a useless feature to me. I would be more willing to spend $3K on a frame if it would blow me instead.