yep. and as Christian mentioned, with his V10C build, it could be nutssomeone built a 29.8lb session aluminum with 2 ply tires and a coil rear shock. 29.0 with single ply, no pedals, and an air shock is not very impressive, really.
Check the specs. It's got chainring protection, an MRP G2 chainguide. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/MRP-G2-Carbon-Sea-Otter-2011.htmlNo bashguard... that pretty chainring might be the first thing to fail.. Closely followed by the air shock
Using the LG1/G2 type of guides as "protection" is the same as using a busted condom for "protection". Your sh!t's still hanging out.Check the specs. It's got chainring protection, an MRP G2 chainguide. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/MRP-G2-Carbon-Sea-Otter-2011.html
having ridden my V10 that is slightly heavier, I think it is too light, I may even go heravier tires on my v10, it def takes some getting used to.yep. and as Christian mentioned, with his V10C build, it could be nuts
In which way you get problems out of it? Is it just a suspension problem and where is it noticable?having ridden my V10 that is slightly heavier, I think it is too light, I may even go heravier tires on my v10, it def takes some getting used to.
Well, in the air it is def less stable, and takes some getting used to. Also, when there are a lot of brake bumps, repeated hits, etc it doesn’t hold it’s line that easy. It is livelier. This may be partly due to me now running a Vivid Air and Boxxer WC, and I was on a Dorado and CCDB for years, so I may need to change the fork and shock settings. Also, the EXO tires roll on the rim I feel, as the side walls are not that rigid as with dual ply tires.In which way you get problems out of it? Is it just a suspension problem and where is it noticable?
i agree.Why do people pretend that this is a DH bike? Tires, wheels, brakes, cranks are ALL for XC only. That bike would be dangerous on a proper DH trail.
That shouldn't be called project "flyweight" it should be project "Uselessly long travel xc bike".
this is because you are on tires that are barely stiff enough to be ridden tubeless on a TRAIL bike.Well, in the air it is def less stable, and takes some getting used to. Also, when there are a lot of brake bumps, repeated hits, etc it doesn’t hold it’s line that easy. It is livelier. This may be partly due to me now running a Vivid Air and Boxxer WC, and I was on a Dorado and CCDB for years, so I may need to change the fork and shock settings. Also, the EXO tires roll on the rim I feel, as the side walls are not that rigid as with dual ply tires.
On the other hand it is easier to manouvre on the track, and hop, etc
Why do people pretend that this is a DH bike? Tires, wheels, brakes, cranks are ALL for XC only. That bike would be dangerous on a proper DH trail.
That shouldn't be called project "flyweight" it should be project "Uselessly long travel xc bike".
they havent started shipping yethas anyone received there frame ????
just checked the online account with no stockz
yep. apart from the tires there's really nothing on there that isn't up to pro level use. yeah the rim longevity is most likely limited, but am rims are pretty standard wc fare, so evidently not off the mark in terms of race run strength.The wheels are Bonty's AM model.. not exactly burly by anyone's standards, but just as heavy duty as some of the lighter custom built race wheels that I've seen out there. The brake's are Elixir's w/ 8" rotors - what's not DH ready about those (for most riders)? Nope, they're not Codes, but loads of riders don't need Codes. The cranks are XO DH cranks, which I have tons of time on, and I easily have more faith in them then pretty much any aluminum crankset out there. They are light given their intention, but up to par. Yes, I know the majority of riders out there think that they chuck harder, go faster and slam stuff so hard that none of the stuff would last, but as a fellow hack I'd have no issues in running any of it (minus the tires). Calling the bike dangerous is a massive overstatement.
I'll give you the point on the tires though.. The EXO casing can roll over, is more prone to punctures and is also much, much more pressure sensitive than a proper dual ply model.
very well saidThe wheels are Bonty's AM model.. not exactly burly by anyone's standards, but just as heavy duty as some of the lighter custom built race wheels that I've seen out there. The brake's are Elixir's w/ 8" rotors - what's not DH ready about those (for most riders)? Nope, they're not Codes, but loads of riders don't need Codes. The cranks are XO DH cranks, which I have tons of time on, and I easily have more faith in them then pretty much any aluminum crankset out there. They are light given their intention, but up to par. Yes, I know the majority of riders out there think that they chuck harder, go faster and slam stuff so hard that none of the stuff would last, but as a fellow hack I'd have no issues in running any of it (minus the tires). Calling the bike dangerous is a massive overstatement.
I'll give you the point on the tires though.. The EXO casing can roll over, is more prone to punctures and is also much, much more pressure sensitive than a proper dual ply model.
Nope, I was told they wouldn't start shipping until Oct 24. Bike shop said I should have mine late Oct early Novhas anyone received there frame ????
just checked the online account with no stockz
Elixir brakes, XO DH cranks and heavy duty trail wheels. The only ****box parts on that bike are the tires. Give me a break.Why do people pretend that this is a DH bike? Tires, wheels, brakes, cranks are ALL for XC only. That bike would be dangerous on a proper DH trail.
That shouldn't be called project "flyweight" it should be project "Uselessly long travel xc bike".
care to elaborate on the fork?They're calling those cranks DH cranks now? Lulz. I had the good fortune of swinging a leg over the carbon session that trek is floating around for the pro reviewers this past weekend. It had basically this same part build (but with fox). I don't think I've felt a pair of flexier cranks on a mountain bike before. The brakes felt like dog sh!t too, the 40 hybrid air was a joke, and well, ya, no thanks on half those parts. This thing was essentially brand new too. I would imagine (hope?) that Trek would be sampling only a bike that had primo parts and was put together perfectly. But maybe I'm wrong?
Frame is sick though.
(P.S. Most of my thoughts were mirrored by the other people testing this bike as well, so its not just me)
what pros run on the circuit doesnt mean much for us mere mortals. i ran Elixr CR's then Elixr CR levers w/ Code calipers and besides for the nice lever, i didnt like them at all. they certainly didnt have enough power for someone my size. i also just put a set of Elixr 9's on a customer's Firebird and they feel just like my Elixr CR's.....plus we all know how reliable Sram's brakes areThose brakes are what most of the world cup ran all year as DH brakes. For some courses they ran code calipers, but the majority of races were on xo calipers. The new Elixir 9s were what was branded as blackbox brakes all season. I've been on mine for a few months and they work great.
The reason you do not see the cranks on many bikes yet is that they are not shipping. They are still waiting for them to arrive in stock at SRAM. They will be stock on a bunch of 2012 bikes.
can you name names? I assume you're comparing them to other top of the line cranks? saint? e13's? Atlas FRs or evolves? Cambers? (stiffer and strength wise, weights are easy enough to look up myself)
Typical seal drag of a 40. Adjusters broke for seemingly no reason at all. Lack of LSC. The "hybrid air" seems (not certain, I haven't pulled one apart) to just be an air preload like zoke forks. Which as anyone knows, tends to feel like complete sh!t compared to a properly sprung coil or properly designed air spring.care to elaborate on the fork?
Exactly. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that I drag my brakes just a tiny bit more than say...Danny Hart. I know, I know, crazy. But I bet I need a little bit heavier duty brake to stop my ass.what pros run on the circuit doesnt mean much for us mere mortals.
Alls I know is that everyone remarked how flexy the cranks felt compared to the saints we all run.can you name names? I assume you're comparing them to other top of the line cranks? saint? e13's? Atlas FRs or evolves? Cambers? (stiffer and strength wise, weights are easy enough to look up myself)