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Are these the all mountain bikes of the future? Discuss

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dropmachine

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No, they don't.

Giant Trance X makes sense. DW linked Turners make sense. VPP bikes make sense. Hell, a good single pivot makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is continually reinforcing into peoples brains that its their equipment thats letting them down on the mountain. Its their rear shock that doesn't let them make that climb. Its thier fork that stops them from being the new Minnaar. From a marketing perspective yes it makes sense, but from a real point of view...no.

Cannondale can suck it anyways. They've constantly relied on fancy marketing rubbish and techno abominations to make themselves seem cutting edge, forcing consumers to commit to proprietary technology that offers no benefits over existing products, unless you're a deal that gets to service or replace them.

Also...over mountain? How about over my balls. Its mountain biking assholes. :D
 
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I think the shorter travel/lighter/improved geometry bikes that many in RM called for will start to take over the traditional 36/lyrik equipped 160/170mm all mountain bikes.

I plan to write up an initial impression review of my stumpy fsr evo- but I'll say here that I'm blown away at how fun and capable it is!
 
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dropmachine

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'over mountain'?! fvck the mt bike industry is retarded.
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No, Cannondale is retarded. But when you produce nothing but mediocre bikes and rely on marketing gimmicks to sell them, this is the kind of bull**** you come up with.

When i relaunch Dropmachine, this will be my first rant. I cannot wait. :D
 
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Uncle Cliffy said:
Where's the "through-mountain" bike I've been wanting?
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I've been working with john deere and caterpillar on a new bicycle mining project that will finally bring in-mountain mountain biking to the surface (not literally). Total subsurface plow biking that eliminates the need for 'climbing' and the traditional drive train. When arriving at the base of a climb, wouldn't you just rather bore through the whole fvcking thing? You and me both brother.

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dropmachine

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You guys are chumps. Its all about 'Round mountain riding. Theres nothing like the exhilarating feeling of staring up an an epic climb, and letting out a hushed..."meh." Then riding all around it without climbing a single foot.
 
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I prefer mechanical selection like say konas Cadabra. The Cadabra just needs a Horst link or split pivot, and i'd prefer a higher pivot, but having the chain pull from pedalling select less travel is a good idea IMO. I shock damping switch could be built inot a design like this also.
Switching a switch so you have one bike or the other doesn't help when the tracks flowy with techy downs then pincher climbs one after the other.
well done for trying Cannondale, but I think more effort was put into making it sound good than work well. What about a chain over an roller that pulls the idler down that flicks a switch to make the damping change and travel lessen.
Please send royalties to me if you bust that out Cannondale or anyone else ;)
 
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ROTFLMAO

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Most people can't tune a regular shock, how are they going to deal with a 2-in-1 shock LOL. "The new DYAD R4C4S2LMNOP shock will revolutionize the way you idiots can mis-tune your suspension."

One thing is for sure though. There are a large number of people who will buy this marketing and in turn buy these bikes. Marketing does work on the majority of people out there. We cynics are really the minority. It is our responsibility to educate the masses :).

I was at Ray's yesterday and there was a cat the on a Trance X. He was lining up to hit one of the jump lines clipped in and with his seat all up in his guts. I said, "hey you might want to put your seat down before hitting this line." He literally said, "This is an All Mountain bike, i'll be fine." On the first jump (on which he caught no air) his seat whacked him in the taint and sent him toppling down the landing side of the jump all scorpioned up. Ahh marketing.
 
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If they still made their bikes in the US the Cannondale Jekyll would be at the top of my list. That switch makes it two bikes in one with different geometries, travel, and suspension tuning. All wrapped up in a 26lb package. Plus, I heard you can whack that new carbon with an ax and it would be fine. But since it is made on the other side of the planet I will wait for a local copycat.

Edit: I wrote Prophet instead of Jekyll. I currently have a '05 Prophet that is still going strong (so much for crack n fail).
 
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whatever the future involves, it isn't cannondale. Everybody but cannondale realizes this. They try so hard, and they just can't do it right. It is seriously disturbing the way those people think, and now there's no reason to buy one, even if you did like their misguided ideas and sloppy execution.
 
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rayhaan said:
these are just a rip off of the german bionicon concept http://www.bionicon.com/.
the bionicon bikes are a load of balls as well, but cannondale suck ass for all the crap they churn out
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+1 they just steal some ones concept and claimed it for them selfs with some new fancy frame:disgust:.Then charging a overpriced price tag with it
 
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They try so hard, and they just can't do it right. It is seriously disturbing the way those people think, and now there's no reason to buy one, even if you did like their misguided ideas and sloppy execution.
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Are you sure about that? C-dale hired Peter Denk a while ago. He was the lead engineer at Scott the years before that. He is the one who brought the idea of the "Ransom shock" to C-dale. And he is the guy behind the Scott Scale, for which he developed this new kind of carbon fiber frame production that now everybody uses. So I would say he knows what he is doing. Dunno about how much freedom the marketing and sales guys at C-dale give him to play around.
 
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I'm drooling over the ASR 5... http://www.yeticycles.com/#/bikes/ASR5Carbon/1/
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I hear that. I've been looking at that frame for a real long time myself. I'm told they're an amazing riding bike.

I've been riding a 4-5" travel Norco fluid with antiquated geo as my everything-but-DH bike for the past couple years and it's amazing what can be done on a bike like that. I recently put a slightly shorter i2i shock on it to put the geo more in-line with the ASR5, and now I don't see myself wanting any other kind of AM bike for a couple more seasons!

Super rippy 5" bikes like the ASR5, StumpEVO, and maybe that Banshee spitfire seem like the way it should go if you have a DH bike in the stable.
 
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Raingauge said:
I think they actually tried to trademark it.
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Specialized did, I think. That's why the Rocky Mountain team (with all the old school greats) started calling themselves the FROriders.



LMC said:
has anyone here had time on the Kona magic link bikes?
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Yeah, it's a cool idea which has been done a couple times by fringe companies. Add a second shock for travel in a second direction. Kona's execution is terrible as the second shock is a bare spring. No damping. It will kick you over the bars if you try to pop off a lip.
 
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I find the Last Herb AM that is based from their DH rig very intressting imo,the frame will let you run 2 differend hub dimensions which i find very cool.Standard 12x135mm hub but take the adapter out so you can run a 12x150mm hub.
 
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dropmachine.com said:
No, they don't.

Giant Trance X makes sense. DW linked Turners make sense. VPP bikes make sense. Hell, a good single pivot makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is continually reinforcing into peoples brains that its their equipment thats letting them down on the mountain. Its their rear shock that doesn't let them make that climb. Its thier fork that stops them from being the new Minnaar. From a marketing perspective yes it makes sense, but from a real point of view...no. :D
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THIS!!!...The amount of disposable income in the mountain biking industry is astounding.. Guys who are 30 pounds out of shape thinking a new fork is going to help them. Stop the madness,,
 
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these are just a rip off of the german bionicon concept http://www.bionicon.com/.
the bionicon bikes are a load of balls as well, but cannondale suck ass for all the crap they churn out

the Bionicon bikes are f*cking terrible when you start pushing them hard - the frames are really underbuilt in terms of pivot hardware / axles and the suspension feels primitive (like a Cannondale headshock) compared to current Fox or Rockshox units

we had a Bionicon all-mtn through our workshop in the summer with the back end all twisted from an XC trip to a trail centre in Wales, UK (not a hardcore DH session) where the rider had gone fast into a bermed corner, bottomed out the suspension and bang...
 
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Oh great more complexity. Different shock characteristics for climbing? yeah, it's called ProPedal.
 
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ROTFLMAO said:
I was at Ray's yesterday and there was a cat the on a Trance X. He was lining up to hit one of the jump lines clipped in and with his seat all up in his guts. I said, "hey you might want to put your seat down before hitting this line." He literally said, "This is an All Mountain bike, i'll be fine." On the first jump (on which he caught no air) his seat whacked him in the taint and sent him toppling down the landing side of the jump all scorpioned up. Ahh marketing.
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Amazing :thumb:
 
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Anyone know why they have the funky offset brake mount for "bearings in the dropout"? I'm a bit confused as to what's going on there...
 
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dropmachine.com said:
No, they don't.

Giant Trance X makes sense. DW linked Turners make sense. VPP bikes make sense. Hell, a good single pivot makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is continually reinforcing into peoples brains that its their equipment thats letting them down on the mountain. Its their rear shock that doesn't let them make that climb. Its thier fork that stops them from being the new Minnaar. From a marketing perspective yes it makes sense, but from a real point of view...no.

Cannondale can suck it anyways. They've constantly relied on fancy marketing rubbish and techno abominations to make themselves seem cutting edge, forcing consumers to commit to proprietary technology that offers no benefits over existing products, unless you're a deal that gets to service or replace them.

Also...over mountain? How about over my balls. Its mountain biking assholes. :D
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This is on point.

I just watched the video. That voice-over is the corniest thing I've heard in a long time. Do people buy into that stuff?! Ending with, "that thing is bad ass.." Cornball.
 
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Anyone know why they have the funky offset brake mount for "bearings in the dropout"? I'm a bit confused as to what's going on there...
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It's a new standard of axle width which as you can see achieves nothing accept adding a less rigid caliper mount.:thumb:
 
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4130biker said:
I think the shorter travel/lighter/improved geometry bikes that many in RM called for will start to take over the traditional 36/lyrik equipped 160/170mm all mountain bikes.

I plan to write up an initial impression review of my stumpy fsr evo- but I'll say here that I'm blown away at how fun and capable it is!
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Not really. For europe the Mega bikes like the new mondraker with 170 travel (if I remember right) may be the new thing. Also I think there wont be a single trend. Now I see 2 areas that are not really satisfied. 1. Burly shorter travel am/trailbikes like distortion as you mentioned but that endurance downhill type of events got quite popular.
 
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roel_koel said:
these are just a rip off of the german bionicon concept http://www.bionicon.com/.
the bionicon bikes are a load of balls as well, but cannondale suck ass for all the crap they churn out

the Bionicon bikes are f*cking terrible when you start pushing them hard - the frames are really underbuilt in terms of pivot hardware / axles and the suspension feels primitive (like a Cannondale headshock) compared to current Fox or Rockshox units

we had a Bionicon all-mtn through our workshop in the summer with the back end all twisted from an XC trip to a trail centre in Wales, UK (not a hardcore DH session) where the rider had gone fast into a bermed corner, bottomed out the suspension and bang...
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Learn to quote.
 
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I think with the development and growth of endurance DH races bikes like a Scott Genius LT are a very worthy development. Any bike which can change from a 110mm front fork/hardtail for climbing to a 180mm front fork travel bike at the flick of a switch is a huge advantage.
No matter what you say about marketing.... or smoke and mirrors etc....

to have that ability and have the suspension provided by established suspension specialists is pretty black and white .... ... ...
I don't think its marketing at all. It actually does something 2 bikes in one. 1 shock to service one fork to service... seems pretty logical to me.....

I think the fact cannondale instead of calling their bikes all mountain they tried to create a new category of bike which is stupid. and marketing....

But I dont think something that is actually engineered differently and clearly does something different is marketing.

Leave that to all the single pivot DH bikes, many are essentially the same, but people attribute a cool factor based on the band thats marketing in action.

my 2 cents
 
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