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Jr_Bullit

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I heard this on the radio this morning, and again found an article on it during my morning coffee break (which seems to take up a lot more of my morning during the holidays than normal ;) ).

So - what do you think? Because we are a rich nation, does it make us stingy if we don't pledge a few billion dollars the first day of a crisis such as the quake?

Let's say what happened in 1700 happens again, and the West coast is plagued by a similar tsunami - one that stretches from Vancouver BC to Southern Cali as a result of a quake that is 9.0...

Would the US receive similar amounts of aid, or even half the aid we are providing, from other nations? Or would they turn their backs and say, oh, gosh, well you're a rich country, you should actually be helping those in Japan and China who were also affected by a tsunami from this same quake?

I have a funny feeling that because of our size of economy, and our relationships around the world (as they currently stand), we would receive a lot of condolences, but not a lot of help, and would be expected to dole out more help to others than received.

What do you think?

U.S. Vows to Do More to Help Asia Victims
46 minutes ago
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell bristled Tuesday at a United Nations official's suggestion the United States has been "stingy," saying the administration expects to follow its initial $15 million Asian earthquake aid package with billions more dollars.

"The United States has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world," Powell said when asked about the comments Monday by Jan Egeland, the U.N. humanitarian aid chief.

Initially, the U.S. government pledged $15 million and dispatched disaster specialists to help the Asian nations devastated by a massive earthquake and tsunamis that claimed tens of thousands of lives.

On Monday, President Bush sent letters of condolence and Powell called the disaster an "international tragedy" as he laid out the initial American aid efforts.

Appearing Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America," the secretary said that at least 11 Americans have died in the disaster and hundreds remain unaccounted for.

Powell chafed at statements that Egeland made at a Monday news conference, at which the humanitarian aid chief exhorted "rich" nations to do more.

"We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become."

Asked about this on ABC, Powell said, "We will do more. I wish that comment hadn't been made."

"We'll make an assessment as the days go by, to see what more is needed of us," he said. "It will take us awhile to make a careful assessment of what is needed ... to see what the specific needs are and then we will respond to those needs."

In an interview on NBC"s "Today" show Tuesday, Powell said that "clearly, the United States will be a major contributor to this international effort. And, yes, it will run into the billions of dollars."

From his ranch in Crawford, Texas on Monday, Bush had sent letters of condolence to the leaders of the seven countries wracked by the disaster.

"This is a terrible tragedy," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said. "There is a significant loss of life. And our thoughts and prayers are with all those who are suffering."

Powell made condolence telephone calls and offered American assistance to the foreign ministers of Thailand, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

American ambassadors released $100,000 each to India, Indonesia, the Maldives and Sri Lanka, and Powell said $4 million would be given to the Red Cross.

U.S. government specialists in disaster relief were sent to Thailand and Indonesia, and others will be spread out through the region. Supplies of shelter, food and water cans kept in reserve in the Philippines and in Dubai will be distributed, according to Ed Fox, assistant administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Millions of people who were displaced will need shelter, food and clothing, Fox added. The $15 million U.S. contribution was an initial one, he said, issued while surveys were conducted.

The Australian government pledged $7.6 million in immediate aid.

A spokesman at U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii said Monday that in addition to three Navy P-3 Orion surveillance planes sent to Thailand, the military also is loading five or six Air Force C-130 cargo planes with tents, clothing, food and other humanitarian goods for delivery to Thailand.

Pacific Command also is assembling small assessment teams that will be dispatched to three countries in the region to assess how U.S. military resources can best be applied in those countries.

Pacific Command spokesman Lt. Col. William Bigelow said he was not authorized to identify the three countries, but other government officials said they were Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand.

And James D. Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank, said bank teams were discussing potential assistance with the governments of the countries that suffered losses.

On Sunday, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, Rodrigo de Rato, said the Fund "stands ready to do its part to assist these nations with appropriate support in their time of need."

The U.S. Navy said it sent three P-3 surveillance aircraft from Kadena air base on the Japanese island of Okinawa to Utaphao, Thailand, to conduct survey operations, and possibly aid in search-and-rescue efforts.

The Navy said it had no reports of damage to any of its ships or bases in the region.
 

DRB

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Jan Egeland gets more press by specifically pointing at the US. He did mention "other countries" but only the US by name.

He knows that the US will give the lion's share of the money when its all said and done.
 

Jr_Bullit

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I wonder if there is a line item in our budget to set aside billions of dollars every year for emergency global humanitarian aid in the event of a international ecological disaster?

Then another for internal disasters.

Then another for "just incase the UN decides to point the finger at us again"?

Otherwise - where does this money come from? We know it couldn't possibly come from the WAR effort ;)
 

binary visions

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That's a little hasty to be already pointing the finger at the amount given, when this whole thing only went down about 48 hours ago?

I mean, if a family member came to me and said, "I'm broke. I'm in severe debt. I've got debt collectors calling me." - I'd give 'em as much money as I could. But my first instinct wouldn't be to throw a grand at them, I'd give 'em fifty bucks so they could get gas and food, and then evaluate their needs.

Why should the govenment chuck billions at a relief effort whose extent isn't even determined yet?
 

DRB

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Jr_Bullit said:
I wonder if there is a line item in our budget to set aside billions of dollars every year for emergency global humanitarian aid in the event of a international ecological disaster?
Yes. Most aid for international disaster comes from Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance in USAID. That is a budget typically in the 100's of millions not billions. SO with one that will go this costly money is going to get moved around from lots of sources to fulfill the need.

Jr_Bullit said:
Then another for internal disasters.
Yes. FEMA.
 

DRB

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Today:

"The international assistance that has come and been pledged from the United States, from Europe and from countries in the region has also been very generous," Jan Egeland said in brief remarks at the world body's headquarters.

"I have been misinterpreted when I yesterday said that my belief that rich countries in general can be more generous. This has nothing to do with any particular country or the response to this emergency. We're in early days and the response has so far been overwhelmingly positive," he added.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/powell.aid/index.html
 

BuddhaRoadkill

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Point 1:
They wouldn't need to be borrowing money if we hadn't stole it all.
Point 2:
There wouldn't have been a big ass wave if we didn't drive big ass SUV's.
Point 3:
I'm only kinda kidding.



fluff said:
As a percentage of GDP?
:sneaky:
 

fluff

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DRB said:
Why should it be as a percentage of GDP?
Why not?

The question was in response to a 'we'll match what everyone else gives' comment - as the US is so much larger than most other nations and much richer than most other nations it seems to be a way of matching in a real sense.
 

valve bouncer

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Perhaps we shouldn't be asking only what our governments can do but what we ourselves can do. Moreover what will we still be doing a year from now as disease, increased poverty and starvation from unplanted crops takes its toll? You'd hope the attention span of the West will last significantly beyond the new year. I kind of doubt it though.
 

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fluff said:
Why not?

The question was in response to a 'we'll match what everyone else gives' comment - as the US is so much larger than most other nations and much richer than most other nations it seems to be a way of matching in a real sense.
Ah I see the quote now.

Countries will give what they give. It will probably not be enough in most folks minds but it is what it is.

In the end it isn't a competition, folks will make it that way, but it isn't.
 

Slugman

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fluff said:
Why not?

The question was in response to a 'we'll match what everyone else gives' comment - as the US is so much larger than most other nations and much richer than most other nations it seems to be a way of matching in a real sense.
Sorry to get back on this so late... but NO, not as percentage of GDP.

Why should we give the same percent when we can give a lower percent and still be giving more than others? Just becasue your rich does not mean that you owe it to anyone else to help them, and the UN and world should be thankful that the US gave anything.

I tried to search for % numbers and who is donating, but didn't find anything, does anyone have any links becasue I'd love to see the numbers...
 

valve bouncer

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As this tragedy unfolds the more I think "yeah, we are being stingy"...The West should be giving billions instead of mere millions. The Maldives has perhaps sustained more damage than their whole GDP for chrissakes. Why aren't Bush, Blair, Howard, Putin, Chirac et al not out there right now doing as much as possible? This is maybe the worst natural disaster any of us (fortunately) will see in our life times and we seem to be twiddling our thumbs. If the misadventure in Iraq can cost a billion a day or whatever it is then surely this is worth more of our combined effort.
 

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The United States provided $2.4 billion in food, in cash, in humanitarian relief to cover the disasters for last year... that's some 40% of all the relief aid given in the world.

Yep... we're a stingy lot.
 

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valve bouncer said:
As this tragedy unfolds the more I think "yeah, we are being stingy"...The West should be giving billions instead of mere millions. The Maldives has perhaps sustained more damage than their whole GDP for chrissakes. Why aren't Bush, Blair, Howard, Putin, Chirac et al not out there right now doing as much as possible? This is maybe the worst natural disaster any of us (fortunately) will see in our life times and we seem to be twiddling our thumbs. If the misadventure in Iraq can cost a billion a day or whatever it is then surely this is worth more of our combined effort.

Initially, the US is ponying up $35M and our good buddies in the EU are chipping-in a whopping $4M. The US is dispatching a MEF and an aircraft carrier battle group to the area as well.

I also see where Isreal's offer of aid was turned down by Sri Lanka... that's a nice gesture :rolleyes:: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4130599.stm
 

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valve bouncer said:
As this tragedy unfolds the more I think "yeah, we are being stingy"...The West should be giving billions instead of mere millions. The Maldives has perhaps sustained more damage than their whole GDP for chrissakes.
Which is $125 million... I'm willing to bet that "Western" nations end up donation more than their GDP.

valve bouncer said:
Why aren't Bush, Blair, Howard, Putin, Chirac et al not out there right now doing as much as possible? This is maybe the worst natural disaster any of us (fortunately) will see in our life times and we seem to be twiddling our thumbs.
Give me a break!

Before there was even a damage assessment or body count we pledged $15 million! How is that "twiddling out thumbs"?

valve bouncer said:
If the misadventure in Iraq can cost a billion a day or whatever it is then surely this is worth more of our combined effort.
Apple meets orange...
 

valve bouncer

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N8 said:
Initially, the US is ponying up $35M and our good buddies in the EU are chipping-in a whopping $4M. The US is dispatching a MEF and an aircraft carrier battle group to the area as well.

I also see where Isreal's offer of aid was turned down by Sri Lanka... that's a nice gesture :rolleyes:: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4130599.stm
Well I see Australia is already matching that. Keep trying.
EU- nice try N8 but your usual idiocy fails to realise that this is just EU itself, individual nations in the EU are sending far far more than that. Keep trying
Israel- Even a cursory reading of that article realises that the Sri Lankans haven't refused Israeli aid at all. Keep trying.
If you even read what I wrote you'd realise that I didn't once mention the US specifically. I said all Western nations must do more. Now. Keep trying.
 

valve bouncer

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Slugman said:
Which is $125 million... I'm willing to bet that "Western" nations end up donation more than their GDP.


Give me a break!

Before there was even a damage assessment or body count we pledged $15 million! How is that "twiddling out thumbs"?



Apple meets orange...
Even though you are spectacularly missing the point the Maldives' GDP is closer to $660 million.

I'd say 4 days later that even adding another two zeros to that 15 million you quoted isn't nearly enough. Same goes for the other rich countries.

Apple meets orange? I'd say priority meets ego.

We need to do more. Start now. Don't stop for a long time. Do you disagree?
 
it is inevitable that at some point, maybe this disaster will be that point, it is inevitable that humanity needs to have a world organization that works to address the safety of the people on the planet et all. IF a couple million were spent a few years ago on installing a quake and tsunami warning systems and procedures in these and other areas, the loss would have been fractions of what it is going to be if only people could have started heading to higher ground.

It is sad that local governments knew about the wave as marked by the helicopter sent in to pull Helmut Kole (SP) former German dignatary off the beach and 15 other people with him before the wave came in.

They new it was inbound but had no system to warn the peoples.

so, when will the inevitable occur? The total death around this wave event will stagering as the disease sets in.
 

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valve bouncer said:
Well I see Australia is already matching that. Keep trying.
EU- nice try N8 but your usual idiocy fails to realise that this is just EU itself, individual nations in the EU are sending far far more than that. Keep trying
Israel- Even a cursory reading of that article realises that the Sri Lankans haven't refused Israeli aid at all. Keep trying.
If you even read what I wrote you'd realise that I didn't once mention the US specifically. I said all Western nations must do more. Now. Keep trying.


Don't worry... when all is said and done with, the US will give far-far-far more and do far-far-far more than any other country in the world...
 

Slugman

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valve bouncer said:
Even though you are spectacularly missing the point the Maldives' GDP is closer to $660 million.
Oops.. dropped a "0"
According to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives The Maldives GDP is $1,250Million…

And what is your point? That the US owes it to other nations to give them money just because we have money? It's called a donation and it is done out of willingness to help, not because someone told us we had to!

valve bouncer said:
I'd say 4 days later that even adding another two zeros to that 15 million you quoted isn't nearly enough. Same goes for the other rich countries.
The Quake happened on Sunday... pledge of initial 15million was made on Monday? (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=363515) Do you really think ANYONE had a full grasp of the situation by then? The estimates are still being calculated!

This criticism is complete crap since they (UN) don't have a true damage assessment. Also it's not like the US to make only ONE donation in situation like this... I think you'd have to wait about 6 months before a criticism like this could be levied.

I think that is what pisses me off about this whole thing. No one knows the total of damage and what is needed, yet they are bitching that we didn't do enough!!! Wait until you have some numbers before you come bitching!

valve bouncer said:
Apple meets orange? I'd say priority meets ego.
I'd say give me a reason for this assessment not a N8 response. What do you think it takes to launch a major military campaign half a world away for over a year? and you still act like we waiting forever to reply... the water was still receding when we pledged $15 WITHOUT knowing the extent of the damage... why is that a bad thing?!?!?!

valve bouncer said:
We need to do more. Start now. Don't stop for a long time. Do you disagree?
So do you have a complete estimate of what is needed? If so I’d call the UN and let them know.

No one has the full assessment yet, so why are people bitching that there is not enough money donated? We have pledged money, support (naval ships are on their way), and supplies… what else do you expect? And why do you assume it’s a one time offer?

Where in the history of the US have we just thrown a low ball $$ figure at a tragedy and walked away? Why do you think this is going to be the case?

I know people are pissed at the US, but quit trying to make stuff up to be pissed at us for!
 
Slugman said:
It's called a donation and it is done out of willingness to help, not because someone told us we had to!
really? that is naive. we, the US, is already looked on as arrogant and increasingly protectionist, you think the front office cares about PEOPLE? iraq is about oil which is about power....

what would happen if the front office did nothing? it is not about the willingness to HELP but about giving candy bars to kids to try and sway opionion. ... if the front office wanted to HELP, there would be involvment in other humanitarian issues that are NOT onthe front page of the news.

it is just that the front office has some smart people on staff and understood that a 30 foot wave going at 500 miles and hour into islands and beaches where people hord to vacation and it was is the xmas new years vacation time and people like Helmut Khol and Ignmar Stenmark and supermodels named Petra where there...

if it was about HELPING... the world would be in a better place, it was about perception of 'good' action.
 

Slugman

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Oh yeah... one more thing - do these nations have NO money of their own for natural disasters? Granted I know it would not be enough for something of this scale... but I hope they have something!

Poor planning on your behalf does not mean an emergency on my behalf...

BarbaRosa said:
really? that is naive. we, the US, is already looked on as arrogant and increasingly protectionist, you think the front office cares about PEOPLE? iraq is about oil which is about power....
And BarbaRosa... get a grip. Tsunami and Iraq are two separate subjects. Take the hate somewhere else...

BarbaRosa said:
what would happen if the front office did nothing? it is not about the willingness to HELP but about giving candy bars to kids to try and sway opionion. ... if the front office wanted to HELP, there would be involvment in other humanitarian issues that are NOT onthe front page of the news.
Do you honestly believe that the US does not make any 'humanitarian' donations? Do a little searching; I think N8 posted a link about it in one of these political threads...

BarbaRosa said:
it is just that the front office has some smart people on staff and understood that a 30 foot wave going at 500 miles and hour into islands and beaches where people hord to vacation and it was is the xmas new years vacation time and people like Helmut Khol and Ignmar Stenmark and supermodels named Petra where there...
Changleen is that you? Time to put the tinfoil back on…

So you are saying that the US would not have donated ANY money if it were not for celebrities…
 

valve bouncer

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Slugman said:
Oops.. dropped a "0"
According to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives The Maldives GDP is $1,250Million…

And what is your point? That the US owes it to other nations to give them money just because we have money? It's called a donation and it is done out of willingness to help, not because someone told us we had to!


The Quake happened on Sunday... pledge of initial 15million was made on Monday? (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=363515) Do you really think ANYONE had a full grasp of the situation by then? The estimates are still being calculated!

This criticism is complete crap since they (UN) don't have a true damage assessment. Also it's not like the US to make only ONE donation in situation like this... I think you'd have to wait about 6 months before a criticism like this could be levied.

I think that is what pisses me off about this whole thing. No one knows the total of damage and what is needed, yet they are bitching that we didn't do enough!!! Wait until you have some numbers before you come bitching!


I'd say give me a reason for this assessment not a N8 response. What do you think it takes to launch a major military campaign half a world away for over a year? and you still act like we waiting forever to reply... the water was still receding when we pledged $15 WITHOUT knowing the extent of the damage... why is that a bad thing?!?!?!


So do you have a complete estimate of what is needed? If so I’d call the UN and let them know.

No one has the full assessment yet, so why are people bitching that there is not enough money donated? We have pledged money, support (naval ships are on their way), and supplies… what else do you expect? And why do you assume it’s a one time offer?

Where in the history of the US have we just thrown a low ball $$ figure at a tragedy and walked away? Why do you think this is going to be the case?

I know people are pissed at the US, but quit trying to make stuff up to be pissed at us for!
I'm not targetting the US, get over this paranoid fixation once and for all. ALL of the rich countries aren't doing enough, how many times do I have to say it.
We cannot wait back and say "well there's been X amount of damage done in Y country and A amount done in B country"....we must do more RIGHT NOW at an enormous level. Throw all of our countries' might into it. The difference of a day may mean the deaths of thousands of people. A tragedy of this scale demands a reaction on an equal scale.
 

valve bouncer

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N8 said:
Why isn't China doing more?
They should be. Next point from the most irrelevant person on the forum? :rolleyes: Haven't got one? Good, then shut your piehole, the big people are discussing important things now so go and sit down and watch ya big TV idiot.
 

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valve bouncer said:
We cannot wait back and say "well there's been X amount of damage done in Y country and A amount done in B country"....we must do more RIGHT NOW at an enormous level. Throw all of our countries' might into it.
So just give $1 billion and if they only need $100 million ask for the rest back?

valve bouncer said:
The difference of a day may mean the deaths of thousands of people. A tragedy of this scale demands a reaction on an equal scale.
Drama queen alert!

Look at the numbers - DO these countries even have the infrastructure and resources to distrubute what they have already received?

From http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/110433536336.htm
LONDON, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Rescuers scoured coastlines around the Indian Ocean for survivors of Sunday's giant waves that killed tens of thousands. The United Nations mobilised what it called the biggest relief operation in its history.

The following is a list of contributions pledged, compiled from reports by Reuters bureaux and U.N. agencies.

AUSTRALIA: $27 million and sent five air force transport planes with supplies and medical specialists to Sumatra, and two 15-member emergency medical teams and 12 police to Phuket.
AUSTRIA: Pledged 1 million euros ($1.4 million) in aid to the countries hit.
BELGIUM: Military plane due to stop at Dubai to load most of its cargo -- UNICEF aid such as tents, vaccines.
BRITAIN: Pledged 15 million pounds ($28.9 million) and has sent plastic sheets and tents worth 250,000 pounds to Sri Lanka. Contributing 370,000 pounds to EU aid and $100,000 to World Health Organisation.
CANADA: Initial contribution of $C1 million ($814,000) to appeal for $6.5 million by the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC).
CHINA: Offering 21.6 million yuan ($2.6 million) of aid to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives.
CZECH REPUBLIC: Sent planes to Sri Lanka and Thailand with drinking water and medicine, part of pledge of aid worth 10 million crowns ($446,000).
DENMARK: Increased aid pledge by maximum 85 million Danish crowns ($15.6 million) after spending almost all initial 10 million crowns pledged. Aid will cover immediate needs -- medical supplies, food, water, shelter -- and reconstruction.
UNICEF flight from its Copenhagen depot taking 45 tonnes of supplies to the area, including oral rehydration salts and medical supplies for 150,000 people for three months.
EGYPT: Egyptian Red Crescent Society sending a plane with 500,000 Egyptian pounds ($81,000) worth of medicine and other aid as initial step.
EUROPEAN UNION: Ready to release up to 30 million euros on top of 3 million euros already allocated to IFRC.
FINLAND: Pledged 2.5 million euros spread among World Food Programme
FRANCE: 100,000 euros for relief, sent 16 rescuers to Thailand, 10 tonnes aid to Sri Lanka.
GERMANY: 2 million euros. Air force medical evacuation plane to set off for Phuket, two more planes chartered to take disaster relief teams, medicines and consular officials there. Germany's largest utility E.ON to donate 1 million euros.
GREECE: Sending C-130 transport aircraft carrying 25 rescue workers to Phuket . Has sent plane to Sri Lanka carrying five tonnes of food and clothing, and offered 150,000 euros in aid to each of the two countries.
ISRAEL: Sent one medical team to Sri Lanka, one to Thailand. Military search and rescue team due in Sri Lanka, held up by coordination problems.
ITALY: Will send 2 Hercules aircraft, one to Sri Lanka, one to Thailand.
JAPAN: Pledged $30 million in aid, sent three navy vessels to Thailand to help rescue survivors.
KUWAIT: Pledged aid supplies worth $2 million, sent $100,000 immediate aid.
NETHERLANDS: Contributing 2 million euros to Red Cross-Red Crescent appeal, plus participating in EU aid programme.
NORWAY: Preliminary contribution of 50 million Norwegian crowns ($8.2 million) for emergency relief, including basic necessities, medicines, food, clean water and shelter.
POLAND: Earmarked 1 million zlotys ($336,000) for Polish NGOs involved in relief.
SAUDI ARABIA: $5 million of food, tents and medicine to be distributed via Saudi Red Crescent, $5 million for international aid groups
SINGAPORE: $1.2 million to global effort, military medical teams and supplies ready to fly to Indonesia.
SOUTH KOREA: $2 million, may send military cargo plane to move aid workers and supplies.
SPAIN: Sent aircraft to Sri Lanka with first aid, sanitary equipment and 19 volunteers, promised 1 million euros.
SWEDEN: Sent 2 communications specialists to help U.N. relief efforts in Sri Lanka. Sending tents and communications equipment to the Maldives. Swedish Red Cross to contribute $750,000 to IFRC appeal.
TAIWAN: Pledged additional $5 million to South and Southeast Asian countries, after giving $100,000 to Indonesia, $50,000 each to Thailand, India and Sri Lanka. Sends more than 100 relief workers.
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: Pledged $2 million in aid and its Red Crescent society will donate 30 tonnes of food, blankets and clothing to earthquake victims to be transported over this week.
UNITED STATES: Pledged initial $35 million. Pentagon ordered 12 vessels to region, though no decision taken on their role.
INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE OF THE RED CROSS: Cargo plane flying from Kenya to Sri Lanka carrying 105 tonnes of supplies, provide aid to 150,000 people in north and east. Trying to raise more than 50 million Swiss francs ($44 million).
IMF: Intends to provide assistance, no specific pledges.
UNHCR: Initially distributing $380,000 of non-food relief items, including 23,500 plastic sheets for shelter, 24,500 plastic mats, clothing, towels and 20,000 kitchen sets.
UNICEF: Delivered 50 water tanks to southern India, 45-tonne shipment of water purification tablets and water systems due to reach Sri Lanka on Thursday. WHO and UNICEF four emergency kits to Indonesia to cover 40,000 people for three months, providing shelter, food and clothing.
U.N. WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME: Sends 168 tonnes of commodities to Sri Lanka, plus more than 4,000 tonnes of rice, wheatflour, lentils and sugar.
U.N. DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME: Provided $100,000 each to Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia, the Maldives and Thailand
U.N. POPULATION FUND: up to $1 million and extra staff to help health needs of pregnant and nursing women.
 

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They should be. Next point from the most irrelevant person on the forum? :rolleyes: Haven't got one? Good, then shut your piehole, the big people are discussing important things now so go and sit down and watch ya big TV idiot.

Like that's gonna happen... :p


Now, oddly enough....

Experts: Tsunami Kills Few Animals
Associated Press | Wed Dec 29 | GEMUNU AMARASINGHE

YALA NATIONAL PARK, Sri Lanka - Wildlife officials in Sri Lanka expressed surprise Wednesday that they found no evidence of large-scale animal deaths from the weekend's massive tsunami — indicating that animals may have sensed the wave coming and fled to higher ground.

An Associated Press photographer who flew over Sri Lanka's Yala National Park in an air force helicopter saw abundant wildlife, including elephants, buffalo, deer, and not a single animal corpse.

Floodwaters from the tsunami swept into the park, uprooting trees and toppling cars onto their roofs — one red car even ended up on top of a huge tree — but the animals apparently were not harmed and may have sought out high ground, said Gehan de Silva Wijeyeratne, whose Jetwing Eco Holidays ran a hotel in the park.

"This is very interesting. I am finding bodies of humans, but I have yet to see a dead animal," said Wijeyeratne, whose hotel in the park was totally destroyed in Sunday's tidal surge.

"Maybe what we think is true, that animals have a sixth sense," Wijeyeratne said.

Yala, Sri Lanka's largest wildlife reserve, is home to 200 Asian Elephants, crocodile, wild boar, water buffalo and gray langur monkeys. The park also has Asia's highest concentration of leopards. The Yala reserve covers an area of 391 square miles, but only 56 square miles are open to tourists.

The human death toll in Sri Lanka surpassed 21,000. Forty foreigners were among 200 people in Yala who were killed.
 

valve bouncer

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Drama queen alert? Are you kidding? MORE NOW.... as fast as possible. Christ do you even comprehend the scale of this thing. Short of a nuclear blast how much more dramatic can things be. I'm sure the people in Aceh, Sri Lanka, India, the Andaman Islands and so on think I'm being dramatic.
 

N8 v2.0

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valve bouncer said:
Drama queen alert? Are you kidding? MORE NOW.... as fast as possible. Christ do you even comprehend the scale of this thing. Short of a nuclear blast how much more dramatic can things be. I'm sure the people in Aceh, Sri Lanka, India, the Andaman Islands and so on think I'm being dramatic.

How many have already parished in that region due to the current civil war?
 

Slugman

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valve bouncer said:
Drama queen alert? Are you kidding? MORE NOW.... as fast as possible. Christ do you even comprehend the scale of this thing. Short of a nuclear blast how much more dramatic can things be. I'm sure the people in Aceh, Sri Lanka, India, the Andaman Islands and so on think I'm being dramatic.
Fools rush in...

without a plan and infrastructure to support the donations and distributions then a lot of it will go to waste... it's highly unlikely that they can even keep up (at this point...) with what they are receiving.

They have received $ 231,395,625.00 so far… and that is not counting the manpower and equipment. Do you think that they have used it all up already?

EDIT - that $ number is donations and pledges... http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/110433536336.htm
 

N8 v2.0

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Slugman said:
Fools rush in...

without a plan and infrastructure to support the donations and distributions then a lot of it will go to waste... it's highly unlikely that they can even keep up (at this point...) with what they are receiving.

They have received $ 231,395,625.00 so far… and that is not counting the manpower and equipment. Do you think that they have used it all up already?

EDIT - that $ number is donations and pledges... http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/110433536336.htm

What's the odds of the corrupt government passing the vast majority of these funds on to their people?
 

Slugman

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N8 said:
What's the odds of the corrupt government passing the vast majority of these funds on to their people?
So that's why we need to give more... now I realize what VB was talking about!
 

valve bouncer

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Slugman said:
Fools rush in...

without a plan and infrastructure to support the donations and distributions then a lot of it will go to waste... it's highly unlikely that they can even keep up (at this point...) with what they are receiving.

They have received $ 231,395,625.00 so far… and that is not counting the manpower and equipment. Do you think that they have used it all up already?

EDIT - that $ number is donations and pledges... http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/110433536336.htm
God forbid that we want any of our hard earned cash to go saving lives. No we'd rather wait until we are sure every cent is accounted for then we'll ask for receipts because it's a tax deduction.
Oh christ Slugman we can argue about this till the cows come home. We both wanna do the right thing I think. Do you remember this time last year? The Iranian earthquake that killed 50,000? F*ck me I didn't, until I remembered because of an article about this current disaster. Wow, really made me think of our short attention span here in the West. Those poor buggers are probably spending another freezing winter for the most part without what they really should have.

I'm typing this warm and comfortable as I'm sure you are. What do we really do to help these people? We can do a lot but we don't do as much as we can. For everything we do, we should do more. This current disaster struck closer to home for me for three reasons. The first and most important was the sheer tragedy and loss of life in a place I'd spent time in. Terrible. The second was because, as probably you did, I knew some people that were perhaps in the area where it happened. The third and in a sense the way that brought it home to me was my mum telling me about the king tides they had on the beaches of my home town in the south west of Western Australia.

It's frustrastion. I can't watch it on TV anymore, seeing all those people holding their dead kids in their arms. Frantically searching for their loved ones. I want to, I should watch it but I can't. Why can't I do something for them, it's not fair. I must be able to do something.