If it's anything like my '05 66 or 888, you can bet it's gonna be good. We'll see how the low speed compression works out.maxyedor said:sweet. let me know how you like the fork, it's on my short list of possibilities.
Steve's is the SL? not the rc2xspacemanspiff06 said:we got a 66 rc2x in at my shop, but it came overspring! (for a 140 lbs rider.) still dope fork and i love those pedals.
word, post it up when ya get'r all donephlegm said:Parts will be going on a 2006 Norco VPS Shore. Just waiting for the bike now...
But you have to buy special Italian air from Marzocchi, or else you're riding on weak stuff...phlegm said:Yep, might be a while for the bike tho.
As for yours being oversprung for a 140 lb rider. That's no surprise. These forks come set up for a 170-200 (210 they say, but 200 is the top end IMO) lb rider.
And if it is indeed an SL. Then all you need to do is adjust your air pressures.
yeah we were trying to set it up for my boss a 140lb rider, we ended up using 5 pump strokes in the positive chamber (didn't register on guage) and no air in the preload chamber...Spokompton said:But you have to buy special Italian air from Marzocchi, or else you're riding on weak stuff...
My 66sl is freakin rockin!
It's easily just as good as any coil fork I;ve ridden. Smooooth. It all has to do with getting most of your air into the positive chamber and not using much air in the preload chamber.
personal preference is personal preferenceCastle said:yeah we were trying to set it up for my boss a 140lb rider, we ended up using 5 pump strokes in the positive chamber (didn't register on guage) and no air in the preload chamber...
He still thinks it's too stiff... I personally thought the rc2x and 36rc2 felt much better. to each his own right?
yeah we were using the manual for ideas regarding air pressure, we spent about 1.5hrs using different air pressures in all chambers. Like I said this isn't my fork, if it were mine, I would've taken more time dumped the oil and started from scratch to try and pinpoint why when this fork is empty it doesn't just go flat. I honestly didn't care enough to take time to call zocchi otherwise I would've if it were mine, zocchi's customer service is awesome.phlegm said:Castle. Make sure you're adjusting the right air pressure, as there are 3 different pressures to adjust. And "5 pump strokes" is not a good gauge of air pressure. You have too much air in the fork.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but if the fork is that stiff you're doing something wrong.
Please get a shock pump and do it right. Read the manual, or call Marzocchi USA since it sounds like you work at a shop.
Definately sounds like something is wrong if not a single pump registered a psi readout.Castle said:we used 3 differnet shock pumps to affirm nothing was wrong with the pump guage, we used a marzocchi pump first, a fox pump second and progressive 5th pump last.
...not too sure what you are referring to by the "preload chamber", as the SL doesn't have one. The only air chambers on the SL are the [2] Positive (right & left leg), Negative (center left leg) & PAR (bottom left leg). Perhaps you were referring to the Positive chamber on the right leg? In which case some have speculated that the Doppio air chambers may benefit from putting slightly less pressure in the positive chamber leg without a corresponding negative chamber (right side on SL)...however, we are talking only 3-5 less psi. Typically BOTH positive chambers should be setup relatively similarly regarding pressure. I would start with no pressure in the PAR (bottom left leg) as that only recommends 0-30 psi anyway & is only to prevent bottomout. Once the fork is broken in, I would gradually add pressure until the desired feel is achieved. Make sure you have plenty of pressure in the negative chamber....but I suspect the oil levels in this case.Spokompton said:...It all has to do with getting most of your air into the positive chamber and not using much air in the preload chamber.
There's also the possibility of too much lube oil in the air spring.Castle said:I didn't think I was losing my mind....... I'll be in the shop on friday and the more and more I read up; I really want to just out of curiosity figure out where we went wrong on the set up or if there is something else. I'll def. post what I find.. My boss wrote down the settings we used in the back of the manual so I'll post them as well.......
I've never felt my zocchi's needed that long.... dang! maybe I've just been lucky....
I don't think they use all the stanchion do they? Isn't that how they are also 30mm taller?end0boy said:hey guys ..i own an 05 66rc with 7 inches of travel .. i dont seem to be using all that travel .. im not even using any of the adjusters .. should i change my springs or oil? thanks ..
Don't any of you kids these days read the manual?phlegm said:Uhm... The right leg is not for extra preload. It's an air spring.
I'm guessing what was meant was, if you're not getting all your travel, take all the air out of one side. It's similar to removing a spring from a coil/oil fork.
....apparently you are "robot_chicken" from MTBR. Please reference MY POST in the Turner forum where it is revealed that we are apparently NOT all owned & served. Still got that manual you are referencing handy? Probably time to pull it out & read it again.Spokompton said:Don't any of you kids these days read the manual?
You all have now been owned and served! Preload! Not for air springing!
Response from MTBR...jncarpenter said:....apparently you are "robot_chicken" from MTBR. Please reference MY POST in the Turner forum where it is revealed that we are apparently NOT all owned & served. Still got that manual you are referencing handy? Probably time to pull it out & read it again.
...guess I'll play the X-post game:Spokompton said:Response from MTBR...
You almost had me reversed owned!
The right leg air chamber is clearly there as an air spring for the 66rc2 LIGHT!!!
It's not to be used as an air spring for the SL, only as a preload chamber. Of course you CAN use it as an air spring, but that's the whole point of the doppio system, to have an air spring with negative pressure to lessen stichion!
I've even talked with Marzocchi tech guys and they told me exactly what I'm telling you guys.
Don't even try to tell me forks are not capable of using a spring on one side only...
Me from MTBR said:...I'm not sure WHO you talked to in tech, but you either mis-understood or they mis-communicated to you. The right leg is an air spring for both the Light & SL...simply READ the manual. It is the exact same setup on both forks. Period. Consider your own statements regarding the Light. Positive air (right leg) functions as an air spring on that model...and as such, uses the recommended pressure settings from the positive air portion of that chart. Consider also that this same model has another leg with a coil spring & air PRELOAD. Are you suggesting that the SL doesn't need the same spring weight setup for both legs as the Light (one coil, one air)?
Enough debating with you...you're obviously "spokompton" from ridemonkey, the same guy who consistently spews half truths concerning suspension as if was fact.
Spokompton said:Don't any of you kids these days read the manual?
You all have now been owned and served! Preload! Not for air springing!
this is a little late, but sl has the rc2x dampening.Castle said:Steve's is the SL? not the rc2x
did we get someone else a rc2x?
It does have RC2 Damping but leave the X out lol......spacemanspiff06 said:this is a little late, but sl has the rc2x dampening.
oh, burn! what now?
it does right?
Castle said:It does have RC2 Damping but leave the X out lol......
not the same.....
original settings used are as follows:
Rider Weight: 140lbs/ Bike: Santa Cruz Nomad/ Fork: '06 66sl
PAR- 3-5 pump strokes (does not register on any pump)
Positive both legs- 25psi
Negative left leg- 150psi
(With the setting listed above, the rider was not able to achieve full travel or anywhere close, (used about 4-5" of the travel) I spent some time again with the manual as I did before for ideas on tuning, the fork also felt semi harsh compared to other marzocchi forks I have felt in the passed)
New Settings as of 12/2/05
PAR- 0 air (let all air out)
Neg- 130psi
Pos. right leg- 10psi
Pos. left leg-25psi
(I feel that this setting got closer to using the travel for a 140lb rider, but he's still not stoaked on the fork, and is considering the swap to a fox talas 36)
for a sub 150lb rider I'm not sure this fork is optimal.
only thing left to do is check the oil heigth which I ran out of time yesterday, I did find oil around the left leg/crown area, where the top cap is and where the crown meet the stanchion and there is a recessed whole for weight savings, I told him to keep a watch on it and if more oil developes we may have something else going on there...
Well if you think about it. The 66 SL's PAR end stroke progression chamber has much of the same effect the "X" in rc2x has. The X in rc2x is a high speed end of stroke compression unit. You can adjust progression on the fly without taking oil in and out. Much like the PAR air chamber.Castle said:It does have RC2 Damping but leave the X out lol......
not the same.....
original settings used are as follows:
Rider Weight: 140lbs/ Bike: Santa Cruz Nomad/ Fork: '06 66sl
PAR- 3-5 pump strokes (does not register on any pump)
Positive both legs- 25psi
Negative left leg- 150psi
(With the setting listed above, the rider was not able to achieve full travel or anywhere close, (used about 4-5" of the travel) I spent some time again with the manual as I did before for ideas on tuning, the fork also felt semi harsh compared to other marzocchi forks I have felt in the passed)
New Settings as of 12/2/05
PAR- 0 air (let all air out)
Neg- 130psi
Pos. right leg- 10psi
Pos. left leg-25psi
(I feel that this setting got closer to using the travel for a 140lb rider, but he's still not stoaked on the fork, and is considering the swap to a fox talas 36)
for a sub 150lb rider I'm not sure this fork is optimal.
only thing left to do is check the oil heigth which I ran out of time yesterday, I did find oil around the left leg/crown area, where the top cap is and where the crown meet the stanchion and there is a recessed whole for weight savings, I told him to keep a watch on it and if more oil developes we may have something else going on there...
Complain about it being sticky with only a little riding on it? Come on man, have a little more patience than that!Castle said:let all air out, got full travel....
12/4/06 new settings:
-Pos. Right Leg 10psi
-Pos. Left Leg 15psi
-Neg. center left leg 140psi = 155mm
-PAR 0 psi
-(100psi = 170mm/ 130psi =160mm/140psi =155m)
He's out on the bike as I type this, he's gettin proper sag and seems to be using his travel much better now, I told him if he bottoms harshly to only add a few pump strokes to the PAR valve (bottom left leg)
From what I can tell the fork is fully functional and nothing wrong with it, as Jay said there isn't but so much that can go wrong in a zocchi.
I'm still sticking by my opinion that it is not as controlled or as smooth as the Fox or Marzocchi coil forks.... to each their own. (Maybe after he's owned it for another month and has changed the oil twice I'll feel different)
In my opinion, it takes too much to set this fork up, I would have a hard time recommending it to just any joe shmoe as 9 out of 10 consumers wont take the time to figure out how to dial this fork in properly. In other words I think it's a little too in depth for most consumers. If you are one who likes to tinker then it's right up your alley.
Overall I think we've come to a pretty good setting for him, I'll see what he says when he gets back....
don't get me wrong, this fork does feel really good, just 3 years ago even coil forks didn't feel this nice and most certainly not a air fork.
for sub 150lb riders pos. pressures will have to be 10psi's or less from what I can tell..... but it does seem that you can dial this fork in for just about any weight rider, so that's a plus, just wanted to clear that up.... hope this helps in some way.... end result is pretty good, fork feels nice, rider seems happy..... know more when he gets back from his ride.
....sounds good. Finally got somewhere with it. I'm sure the pressures will have to be revisited when the seals & stanchions break in a bit. I just got the Z1 Light ETA last week & the thing is very sticky. I would be concerned had I not owned 3-4 Zocchis a year for the past number of years. It feels alot like my AM1 when it was new...but, after a month on it, was smooth as butter. I'll have mine in a few days.:love:Castle said:let all air out, got full travel....
12/4/06 new settings:
-Pos. Right Leg 10psi
-Pos. Left Leg 15psi
-Neg. center left leg 140psi = 155mm
-PAR 0 psi
-(100psi = 170mm/ 130psi =160mm/140psi =155m)
He's out on the bike as I type this, he's gettin proper sag and seems to be using his travel much better now, I told him if he bottoms harshly to only add a few pump strokes to the PAR valve (bottom left leg)
From what I can tell the fork is fully functional and nothing wrong with it, as Jay said there isn't but so much that can go wrong in a zocchi.
I'm still sticking by my opinion that it is not as controlled or as smooth as the Fox or Marzocchi coil forks.... to each their own. (Maybe after he's owned it for another month and has changed the oil twice I'll feel different)
In my opinion, it takes too much to set this fork up, I would have a hard time recommending it to just any joe shmoe as 9 out of 10 consumers wont take the time to figure out how to dial this fork in properly. In other words I think it's a little too in depth for most consumers. If you are one who likes to tinker then it's right up your alley.
Overall I think we've come to a pretty good setting for him, I'll see what he says when he gets back....
don't get me wrong, this fork does feel really good, just 3 years ago even coil forks didn't feel this nice and most certainly not a air fork.
for sub 150lb riders pos. pressures will have to be 10psi's or less from what I can tell..... but it does seem that you can dial this fork in for just about any weight rider, so that's a plus, just wanted to clear that up.... hope this helps in some way.... end result is pretty good, fork feels nice, rider seems happy..... know more when he gets back from his ride.
Castle said:I don't find the fork to be "sticky". When the fork has no air in it, it slides as smooth as any zocchi should. When you add air is when the fork has a different feel. To me it feels more harsh then other marzocchi and fox coil forks I've ridden. (spokompton) You are taking offense to something becuase you own a product and someone has a different opinion. Take it for what it is, just an opinion, no offense.
my '03 z.1/'04 z.1/'05 z.1/ '05 66rc/both '04 888's and '05 888 all felt great the whole time, with what seems to be much shorter break in period then expected. I really don't find that zocchis take very long to break in.
The pike is a good fork but doesn't compare to the zocchi or fox coil offerings in terms of overall feel.
I would hope people use real ride time to determine the quality of a product, although e speculation/rumors is what keeps things interesting. My boss has put in some solid ride time already. He doesn't run a computer otherwise I'd break out the mileage. geeze. He gives me feedback (likes,dislikes) I help him tune his fork.
I don't think anyone will argue on marzocchi's seal quality? they do a good job...
I agree that it's not rocket science, I'm just speaking from shop experience. 90% of the consumers I've dealt with over the passed years would not want to take the time to learn/tune this fork properly.
I'm not confident either that many shop employees/owners have taken the time to learn how to tune this fork without owning one. Not that they can't learn...
I think once it's ridden some more the pressures will have to be revisisted.. I think the settings today will work for him, I'm interested to hear what he has to say.
if you read this and don't take in anything else, this is a good fork and so is the pike.