[rosenamedpoop]

I like it. I never really liked the look of the Supreme DH, so that's an improvement.

So weird to me to hear people dismiss product progression. New one good, so old one baaaad... me no like wheel and fire.

 

[dropmachine]

Theres product progression, and then theres forced market change to push sales. Two very different things.

Not saying which of those two this frame is. Just sayin.

 

[Demomonkey]

Personally I would have preferred to see an evolution of the current configuration, not that I mind this latest incarnation. I loved the moto look of the current set up.

 

[tacubaya]

I think it looks like poop.

 

[no skid marks]

Some differences/advantages over Fusion:
1. Seatstay 4-bar = single pivot with linkage-driven shock.
2. Higher pivot (real) opposite to the lower virtual one on the Fusion ->Are you sure it's have a higher pivot(vitual pivot?
3. Rearward wheel path opposite to the vertical-to-frontward of the Fusion.As above, you sure?
4. Progressive throughout the whole travel opposite to the regressive end of the Fusion.
5. Longer shock -> lower leverage ratio (if the travel is 8″ and the shock is 9.5″, it looks like it is)

I don’t know about the pedal feedback though, seems like there will be some…

The fusion would be more active while braking I'd say. Some like squat though.
I'd like to see an idler and higher pivot with split pivot, or Horst link and higher VPP.
Looks fast and fun as is though.

 

[imbecile]

no skid marks:
Yep, I own Fusion Whiplash and I've got an accurate Linkage simulation on it - it's virtual pivot is a bit behind and inline with the main pivot - definitely lower than Commencal's proto. The axle path is like 5-6mm. rearward in the first 1/3 of travel, than it's mainly forward.

The fusion would be more active while braking I'd say. Some like squat though.
I'd like to see an idler and higher pivot with split pivot, or Horst link and higher VPP.
Looks fast and fun as is though.

Agreed Horst link with High VPP and an idler would be interesting, something like the Ghost DH proto

 

[rosenamedpoop]

Theres product progression, and then theres forced market change to push sales. Two very different things.

Not saying which of those two this frame is. Just sayin.

If mountain bike development were being funded through grants maybe... but the bottom line is that in industry product progression and "forced market change" or perceived obsolescence, are not exclusive. Contrarily, they are slightly different shades of grey in the same scale.

 

[Kntr]

The rear shock is going to take a beating by rocks and mud.

 

[Vrock]

I have checked the new proto and it works exactly the same as the actual Supreme. It's amazing how It can works the same being so different. Anyway, Commencal have been using the same design since ¿¿2004?? It's a lot of time so it's fair to change the frame even if it's only for the looks. Well, it'll probably be lighter or stronger... but If it's not, It's good to see a new design.

 

[MDJ]

this is a weird angled picture

It looks like Intense welded it for them.

 

[time-bomb]

It looks like Intense welded it for them.

Have you seen the Evil Revolt? Read up on it, there is a reason for the "shock tunnel" being offset like that.

 

[IH8Rice]

It looks like Intense welded it for them.

im talking about the front triangle looking offset because of the camera angle. and that frame is plastic.

Have you seen the Evil Revolt? Read up on it, there is a reason for the "shock tunnel" being offset like that.

the Commencal linkage doesnt look like it needs that much space like the Revolts do, but its hard to tell from a few pics

 

[Bikael Molton]

It looks like Intense welded it for them.

clap clap clap

 

[time-bomb]

im talking about the front triangle looking offset because of the camera angle. and that frame is plastic.



the Commencal linkage doesnt look like it needs that much space like the Revolts do, but its hard to tell from a few pics

LOL, I see it now. When you look at the seat post in relation to the head tube

Probably is camera angle, or maybe it is balsam wood that got wet instead of plastic

 

[Commencal-guy]

Here's more news on the frame. Looks like the Athertons already started to shred on this beast.



http://dirt.mpora.com/news/exclusive-2011-commencal-supreme-dh-prototype-testing-athertons.html

 

[I.van]

needs more YAW

 

[bobsten]

the demo isnt so appealing any longer

 

[norbar]

Im really bored with the fashion of making flat, wide downtubes. I know it has its benefits but not really if you like your bike dent free.

 

[CBJ]

All it needs is a split pivot

 

[dropmachine]

Needs moar crackz!!!1!11!

Crackencal rulez!!


:d

 

[Pslide]

Im really bored with the fashion of making flat, wide downtubes. I know it has its benefits but not really if you like your bike dent free.

More to your liking Norbert?