This was my main tuning concern. I already have a 5th that is too slow. I don't want to spend $600 on a new shock to find out that it will have the same problem.
As far as i know, thats not the case. I purchased the shock and told them what bike it was for and they said that the adjustments should be enough to work with the DW link, but they didnt actually do any in-house testing with a sunday. After a few weeks, I called them back to see if anything could be done about the slow feel of it, and they told me they are not doing custom tunes at this time. Long story short, after riding a sunday for the last 2 seasons with nearly every shock, the Fox DHX 5.0 is by far the best feeling shock for the bike.
I can see that. Its a known fact that the Sunday requires very little compression damping from a shock.
Lots of people said that about their bikes before they got Sundays...it can always be better.
Yeah, Butch posted that some where.
Its an '05 7point.
Huh?? ouch.
to be more specific I said he asked to try one out. Me not know if he actually ever slapped one on.
I'm still banking on the DW-link's suspension ratio.
I'm serious about getting the shock. But, seeing the problems that other other shock/ DW combos have I wanted some first hand experiences. I'm not about to put that kind of cash on an orniment for my parts box. I put out an E-mail to CC. I will take your advice and call them if I don't hear back from them in a few days.
that's creepy!
aha, conjecture beats some people's actual riding impressions. that never happens on the internet... :biggrin:
That's an incorrect statement to make about Cane Creek. Nobody there isn't working with consumers.
Dammit,That's an incorrect statement to make about Cane Creek. Nobody there isn't working with consumers.
Custom tuning a Double Barrel ? By what...modifying it internally?You back the rebound adjuster all the way out and the only thing that's slowing down how fast the shock returns to full extension is the spring itself and the force it can generate on the linkage and associated parts tied to that link.
You guys are backing into this. The way you put it is essentially saying that the Double Barrel has some limiting factor regarding oil flow that is slowing the shock's rebound circuit down. When you back out the high speed rebound adjuster, rebound is from the tension in the spring.
If you were arguing something to do with the compression circuit, which DW and I discussed, I could see where some shocks don't have a low enough compression ratio because of the leverage on the Sunday. But somebody explain to me what in the linkage of the Sunday is going to cause a steel coil spring to react any different upon rebound with no oil flow limiting it's return to full extension??
you are not listening.I'm gonna have to call BS on that. I had both rebound adjusters backed ALL the way out and the shock was still SLOW. The oil is still flowing through a circuit, and regardless of how open that circuit is, there is still going to be some resistance. Take your beloved DB off your bike and take the spring off, then back the rebound adjusters out all the way and cycle the shaft by hand, then come back here and tell me that there is no resistance on the rebound strokeThat's an incorrect statement to make about Cane Creek. Nobody there isn't working with consumers.
Custom tuning a Double Barrel ? By what...modifying it internally?You back the rebound adjuster all the way out and the only thing that's slowing down how fast the shock returns to full extension is the spring itself and the force it can generate on the linkage and associated parts tied to that link.
You guys are backing into this. The way you put it is essentially saying that the Double Barrel has some limiting factor regarding oil flow that is slowing the shock's rebound circuit down. When you back out the high speed rebound adjuster, rebound is from the tension in the spring.
If you were arguing something to do with the compression circuit, which DW and I discussed, I could see where some shocks don't have a low enough compression ratio because of the leverage on the Sunday. But somebody explain to me what in the linkage of the Sunday is going to cause a steel coil spring to react any different upon rebound with no oil flow limiting it's return to full extension??
How much do you weight?
you bought a Double Barrel for a 4 inch travel bike? isn't that like buying a boxxer for an Epic?Not to highjack the thread but I tried running a CCDB on a Ventana El Saltamontes. 4" of travel, 2" stroke. Low 2:1 ratio. I am 215lbs using a 450lbs spring for 30% sag. Could not get enough high speed rebound, plus the HS compression was to firm on the CCDB for it to function well. Settled on a pushed RC (very happy, although it took 3 tunings to get it perfect), and the CCDB is gathering dust
That is NOT a definition of "not working with customers". You are asking a company to modify a shock outside of it's current design, which is not possible for Cane Creek to do currently. They don't have a way to mod the shock out to make it work for your Sunday even if they wanted to. They didn't design it. Ohlins did.DS Dom said:
Bizutch, where did you get the idea that anyone said the REBOUND was too slow with the DB/Sunday mix? You were the first one to mention "rebound" on this thread, everyone else was talking compression, or that's the way it reads to me.you bought a Double Barrel for a 4 inch travel bike? isn't that like buying a boxxer for an Epic?
And guys, I'm only trying to discuss the rebound, not the compression circuit. I stated I know the dilemma when dealing with low leverage ratio of the Sunday and tuning a shock to deal with it.
I was just trying to address why it is people on Sundays say they feel like the DB is rebounding slow on their Sundays, nothing else. Chill.
That is NOT a definition of "not working with customers". You are asking a company to modify a shock outside of it's current design, which is not possible for Cane Creek to do currently. They don't have a way to mod the shock out to make it work for your Sunday even if they wanted to. They didn't design it. Ohlins did.
Not working with customers means that company refuses to do something that is within their means.
It is NOT within Cane Creek's means to customize the internal components of the Double Barrel currently. It's not a simple issue of modifying a shim stack or anything like on a basic valved design you know.
I could understand if you were calling Push and asking them to modify a shock to be custom tuned to your bike. That's their business. Cane Creek is not in the business of custom designing a single shock for 1 specific application from the ground up.
Does that make more sense?
You have it exactly correct Butch. The limiting factor comes down to the spring. On the DW link you can run amazingly low spring rates and still have all the proper pedaling platform and resistance against the large hits. What other bike allows a 200 lb rider to get away with running a 350 lb spring?the only thing that's slowing down how fast the shock returns to full extension is the spring itself and the force it can generate on the linkage and associated parts tied to that link.
But somebody explain to me what in the linkage of the Sunday is going to cause a steel coil spring to react any different upon rebound with no oil flow limiting it's return to full extension??
No, you are emo because you wear manpris.
Yes that makes sense, I think everyone realizes that since Ohlins designs and produces that shock and that it is not in Cane Creek's means to modify the valving and internals on the shock. Maybe it was worded wrong. But I think what Travis meant was it was unfortunate that Cane Creek was not able to offer a custome tune for the Sunday/ DW link. I seriously doubt he was implying bad customer service when he said they cant work with customers.
cool. It takes so long to explain stuff in threads sometimes. One quick correction though. The Double Barrel is now 100% produced in house by Cane Creek. They are sourcing all piece parts from their vendors and hand building every single 1 in a tiny dust free room full of good music. At first, they had a few pieces that were supplied by Ohlins overseas b/c of supply chain stuff, but from what I was told around 9 months ago, they are now 100% directly built in house.
I may be way wrong here, but with out machining a entirely new resivoir the design couldn't be tuned any faster or slower, unlike other designs where shims and valve sizes can easily be changed with standard parts.
