Dual Sussy SS bikes

sealclubber · Mar 4, 2010

i was gonna go that route, but at the last second changed my mind to go for the liquid

eaterofdog · Mar 4, 2010

I usually ride rigid but these are very interesting. They would be nice for the rougher areas or flat landings. Not going to spend that kind of money for the occasional ride though.

v-digit · Mar 4, 2010

i love that promo vid they released for the killswitch.

double been around for a long time. ss fully is nothing new, but a steel ss fully is def a new concept, me thinks.

so a steel ss fully.... does that mean u can do some grinding on it?

MIDigger · Mar 4, 2010

zach dank rocked the double way back during the days of the original Farm trails..

Luckynumber13 · Mar 4, 2010

The dartmoor you posted is really cheap for a fully.
Only 2400 Polish Zloty which = $840 usd
it also weighs only 2.8kg or 6.17 lbs without the shock compared to the killswitch at ~7.5lbs and the le pink at ~8 lbs
They say it'll be available in summer, so we'll still have to wait a while.
The only bad thing i can see about this frame is that the top tube might be a little high, and the chainstays are a bit long at 16.14" especially compared to the le pink which is only 15.25" (shorter than a mob!)
But the killswitch has 16" chainstays which are also pretty long.
Also Im pretty sure its a one sixe only with a 22" top tube which is too small for me.

Also NS bikes are also supposed to come out with a ss fully, but they have no details or pics yet.

Beast · Mar 4, 2010

There are more "dirt jumpers" than there are "slopestyle" riders, so companies will market their bikes as such.

Not to say they won't work at the djs, because they will, but from a business stand point that's where they are coming from.

Beast · Mar 4, 2010

Another to add to your list! The Banshee Rampant:

escapeartist · Mar 4, 2010

Don't forget what could possibly have been the first one, the Kona Bass/Cowan:

escapeartist · Mar 4, 2010

Oh, and my favorite ss full suspension bike (if only for originality's sake):

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217991&highlight=superco
Nice ride w00dy!

Luckynumber13 · Mar 4, 2010

ya but none of those are ss pivot,

so you have to run a tensioner...

i have no idea how the bass is run like without the chain snapping off...
i guess the axle path is inward so the chain becomes slacker, but then wouldn't the chain fall off easy? Also im thinking the pivot is really close to the bb causing minimal chainstay length difference

boostindoubles · Mar 4, 2010

Arrow Racing has been making the DSS-3 for a few years at least. It's a sweet frame for sure!

greengreer · Mar 4, 2010

Luckynumber13 said:
ya but none of those are ss pivot,

so you have to run a tensioner...

i have no idea how the bass is run like without the chain snapping off...
i guess the axle path is inward so the chain becomes slacker, but then wouldn't the chain fall off easy? Also im thinking the pivot is really close to the bb causing minimal chainstay length difference

The cowan/bass is concentric if I remember correctly. I guess that make Kona ahead of the game by a few years

escapeartist · Mar 4, 2010

Luckynumber13 said:
ya but none of those are ss pivot,

so you have to run a tensioner...

i have no idea how the bass is run like without the chain snapping off...
i guess the axle path is inward so the chain becomes slacker, but then wouldn't the chain fall off easy? Also im thinking the pivot is really close to the bb causing minimal chainstay length difference

I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. The pivot on the Bass is definitely around the bottom bracket shell, so the chainstays maintain a constant length.

The LePink does the same thing, I believe by having the swingarm pivot around the spindle for the bb, but I could be wrong on that one.

As you can see here, in the bottom right pic, the killswitch pivots at the bb as well:
http://www.blackmarketbikes.com/products/killswitch.jpg

The Double and Banshee definitely need tensioners, but it looks like the Dartmoore is similar to the rest with the bb pivot.

That said, I know very little about suspension, so feel free to correct me anyone.

escapeartist · Mar 4, 2010

greengreer said:
The cowan/bass is concentric if I remember correctly. I guess that make Kona ahead of the game by a few years

Yeah, Kona made a sweet 4in travel XC singlespeed as well. It was called the "A." I think they've since gotten rid of it.

Dirtjumper999 · Mar 4, 2010

Arrow made the first concentric bottom bracket around 2003 ish. Then the Cove G-spot was concentric for a couple years.

demo 9 · Mar 4, 2010

I had the kona, didnt like it much, personally the "suspension" only takes your pop and doesnt smooth out anything, the blackmarket is a bike i would try, but i didnt like the kona.

TheTruth · Mar 4, 2010

sealclubber said:
i was gonna go that route, but at the last second changed my mind to go for the liquid

Woot!

Daman · Mar 4, 2010

Some nice picture i found from some Le Pink Build

Le Pink use a 19mm BMX axle as the pivot axle and crank axle at the same time.
All on fat R12 bearings...very simple and stiff system

For what i can remember Arrow racing was one of the first...by a loooong shot.

Dirtjumper999 · Mar 4, 2010

I like Le Pink a lot. I like the idea of the short travel ss frames. I would love Transition if they redesigned the Double with a concentric bottom bracket. Kona doesn't really get anything right imo.

Daman · Mar 4, 2010

Ooo..also...wasent the first Rothec DH bike with a concentric bottom bracket ?

It was long like a scool buss...one of the ''desavantage'' of that style of pivot, if you want travel...it will be long, but it works good if you want it short and small travel.

w00dy · Mar 4, 2010

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this abortion.

Edit: I know it's not set up SS, but the pivot was concentric, it had the ability.

Luckynumber13 · Mar 4, 2010

escapeartist said:
I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. The pivot on the Bass is definitely around the bottom bracket shell, so the chainstays maintain a constant length.

The LePink does the same thing, I believe by having the swingarm pivot around the spindle for the bb, but I could be wrong on that one.

As you can see here, in the bottom right pic, the killswitch pivots at the bb as well:
http://www.blackmarketbikes.com/products/killswitch.jpg

The Double and Banshee definitely need tensioners, but it looks like the Dartmoore is similar to the rest with the bb pivot.

That said, I know very little about suspension, so feel free to correct me anyone.

Ya the le pink, killswitch, and dartmoor are all concentric bb pivots, which is why I mentioned them earlier...
so are the arrow, and kona(i wasn't aware that the kona was, but after some research I see it is...I thought it was a regular kona faux bar.)
The commencal absolute is also a concentric pivot style frame but like the kona (and arrow), the geometry on it isn't as good on it as the le pink, killswitch and shine
I think there's 2 or 3 other concentric pivot style frames, but their geo numbers weren't that good either.

The double and banshee shouldn't be in this thread as like you said they need tensioners

Luckynumber13 · Mar 4, 2010

Daman said:
Some nice picture i found from some Le Pink Build

Le Pink use a 19mm BMX axle as the pivot axle and crank axle at the same time.
All on fat R12 bearings...very simple and stiff system

For what i can remember Arrow racing was one of the first...by a loooong shot.

I saw those builds about a week ago and I thought they were some of the sexiest slopestyle bikes ever :thumb:

The le pink seems super strong too, i would trust it on any huge jump or drop, as its chromoly and the tubes are so much thicker than on the pinscher... and the headtube and everything is nice and reinforced..the rear end is super stiff too...
And the craftsmanship and quality is amazing!!
Great job Dobermann :thumb:

I guess it could be a little lighter(thats the only fault I can find with the frame), but Im thinking that then the strength would be greatly sacrificed and would cause a lot more flex..the frame seems soo bombproof right now

mattt · Mar 5, 2010

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4000530/

fire eye match

steel front, AL back. Similar design to the Dartmoor

ServeEm · Mar 5, 2010

WhoRyder said:
Just received an email from Blackmarket bikes....

"The Killswitch will sell in the US for USD$1399 and will ship with a headset, seatpost clamp and horizontal dropouts (with integrated hanger) and we expect it to be ready to release in late April."

That's a great deal... With the exception of a shock.... I think LePink goes for the same but with a shock....

It's a toss up, the Build quality from the LePink is Second to none....

I would get the LePink over the Killswitch, but that's just me!

stupid question, are you certain that the killswitch doesn't include a shock or since one wasn't mentioned you assume it's not included?

Daman · Mar 5, 2010

There is a bit of a price difference between a Xfusion and a Fox shock..
But yes..both frames are well priced for what they are.

NSBikesRider · Mar 5, 2010

to be honest, these bikes were designed for gears for a reason, a dual suspension bike is sort of for longer journeys, where a hardtale just cant keep you going, or for downhill and freeride, if you make it into a SS, then its sort of pointless, you trying to combine a SS jumpbike/ BMX and a DH, FR bike, these two styles, just dont really mix, and plus, they do look awful with those horrible tension seekers

v-digit · Mar 5, 2010

NSBikesRider said:
to be honest, these bikes were designed for gears for a reason, a dual suspension bike is sort of for longer journeys, where a hardtale just cant keep you going, or for downhill and freeride, if you make it into a SS, then its sort of pointless, you trying to combine a SS jumpbike/ BMX and a DH, FR bike, these two styles, just dont really mix, and plus, they do look awful with those horrible tension seekers

hmmm
i think u're missing the point of these
plus, maybe i'm crazy, but i havnt shifted gears on my DH/FR bike since i bought it

sealclubber · Mar 5, 2010

how can a tensioner look any worse than a derailleur?

Daman · Mar 5, 2010

i ride single speed on my XC and commuter bike...so much simplier...no noise..noting that can be rip off by rocks...no problems..and its cheap LOL

The next big trend...fixed gear suspension bikes! haha!

ServeEm · Mar 5, 2010

No knock to Dob what-so-ever but the killswitch looks so much more beef than the Pink. I'm not concerned with weight so that's not a factor if it's a lot heavier than the Pink. I've been wanting a short travel ss rig, wondering how I'm gonna justify it to the wife tho.

sealclubber · Mar 5, 2010

i think they only reason it looks like more beef is the hydroformed aluminum vs conventional cromo tubing. whys the killswitch on whoryders blog already compressed in the rear? all the other ones ive seen have the bb nowhere near as low in the back at rest

greenblinker104 · Mar 5, 2010

you guys are forgetting what i think is the first? concentric bb bike: cove g spot

...although the pic is of the newer, updated model g spot

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