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X3pilot

Texans fan - LOL
Aug 13, 2007
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But the problem with that data is that the death penalty is not a deterrent. Avg 17-20 years on death row exhausting the appeals process. Why? To avoid killing a possible innocent person. That makes very good sense, but the criminals know they have a better chance of dying from natural causes on death row than being executed. Meanwhile, they are housed, fed and provided with medical care and educational benefits at taxpayer expense.

What's the answer?

Jesus was too smart to run for political office...
 

firemandivi

They drank my Tooters
Sep 7, 2006
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a state called denial
But the problem with that data is that the death penalty is not a deterrent. Avg 17-20 years on death row exhausting the appeals process. Why? To avoid killing a possible innocent person. That makes very good sense, but the criminals know they have a better chance of dying from natural causes on death row than being executed. Meanwhile, they are housed, fed and provided with medical care and educational benefits at taxpayer expense.

What's the answer?

Jesus was too smart to run for political office...
Its not a deterrent because almost no one ever actually gets executed. But yes it doesn't help. But I still like the idea of people being executed for murder and other violent crimes. I want to see chain gangs out there picking up garbage on the highway. Make them work and take away their privileges like TV & a free college education, etc. they should be given only the most basic needs like bread & water.
 

X3pilot

Texans fan - LOL
Aug 13, 2007
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I enjoyed touring the prison system in Spain several years ago. The burden of clothing, feeding and basic care of a prisoner fell to the family of that prisoner. If they chose to shun you, oh well. Their prison in outside Rota was built such as there were pipes leading from the sea into the undergorund prison. Riot? No sweat, guards open valves and flood the place.

We will always the other side that will argue, rightfully, that we must exhaust all avenues before executing someone, lest that person is actually innocent.

Evidence beyond a doubt (DNA, forensic, etc) or a sworn admittal?

hang em in public. and make them buy the rope.
 

deadatbirth

Monkey
Aug 29, 2007
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In a van down by the river
Its not a deterrent because almost no one ever actually gets executed. But yes it doesn't help. But I still like the idea of people being executed for murder and other violent crimes. I want to see chain gangs out there picking up garbage on the highway. Make them work and take away their privileges like TV & a free college education, etc. they should be given only the most basic needs like bread & water.
they give you bologna too. and whats the point of a education if they are just gonna be making my license plates for the rest of their lives.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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no but you can put it in brownies, tea, cookies and you probably could put hershey syrup on it and eat it....i dont know who would, but some degenerate out there would.
Oh, well in that case, DOUBLE FAIL.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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I enjoyed touring the prison system in Spain several years ago. The burden of clothing, feeding and basic care of a prisoner fell to the family of that prisoner. If they chose to shun you, oh well. Their prison in outside Rota was built such as there were pipes leading from the sea into the undergorund prison. Riot? No sweat, guards open valves and flood the place.
That's awesome.
 

bohorec

Monkey
Jun 26, 2007
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assuming that's true, you've shown a correlation. bravo. now where is the causal relationship?

I don't know if chart shows there's a causal relationship, but I wont mind if anyone who knows situation better can offer alternative explanation. However the gap is interesting.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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The causation is simple...

The idea of an active death penalty drives people to kill!

It's madness!

Or Spartans.
 

bohorec

Monkey
Jun 26, 2007
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thanks n8.

Care to have an opinion instead of a link or copy-paste?
Rather than talking how death penalty deter crime on emotional bases I prefer to use links that can back up my opinon which is rather obvious in this case. Besides my english sucks.
 

deadatbirth

Monkey
Aug 29, 2007
657
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In a van down by the river
The causation is simple...

The idea of an active death penalty drives people to kill!

It's madness!

Or Spartans.
or its the fact that guns are easy to get in the US. Look at the UK or Japan. no one has guns and they have virtually no murders compared to us. guns are evil, except for the ones i own and will own
..and that is my political rant for the day
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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The death penalty and prison in general is not a deterrent for some people. They'll be housed, fed, given health care and education, a job, AND weights.

WTF?


Make it so that if you go to prison, you are fed just enough to survive. (maybe) You have to work your ASS off for everything else, INCLUDING HEALTH INSURANCE. Not enough money? Good luck with that stab wound asshole.

Weight sets should be banned too.

Death row should be like the prison except there is no health care offered at all. It's fvcking DEATH ROW. Die already!
 

deadatbirth

Monkey
Aug 29, 2007
657
0
In a van down by the river
The death penalty and prison in general is not a deterrent for some people. They'll be housed, fed, given health care and education, a job, AND weights.

WTF?


Make it so that if you go to prison, you are fed just enough to survive. (maybe) You have to work your ASS off for everything else, INCLUDING HEALTH INSURANCE. Not enough money? Good luck with that stab wound asshole.

Weight sets should be banned too.

Death row should be like the prison except there is no health care offered at all. It's fvcking DEATH ROW. Die already!
unless they are in solitary or a SHU environment you are right. they all should be in 23 hour lockdown
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Make death row the worst place on earth. Make death row a death sentence.
How often do you think people who perform death penalty crimes consider the punishment of their actions? I'd say an extremely small percentage.

The death penalty has never really been about preventing crime but as an act of revenge
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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How often do you think people who perform death penalty consider the punishment of their actions? I'd say an extremely small percentage.
A small percentage yes. They think, "Hey, I might get caught, but I can ride this one out for years. I'll die of a stroke or cancer before the state gets to me."


It'd be better if it was, "If I pull this trigger, my life will be a living hell for the next few years before they kill me. I better think twice."



I also think that if you end up in a scared straight program, they should rape you.
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
5,673
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Feeling the lag
A small percentage yes. They think, "Hey, I might get caught, but I can ride this one out for years. I'll die of a stroke or cancer before the state gets to me."


It'd be better if it was, "If I pull this trigger, my life will be a living hell for the next few years before they kill me. I better think twice."



I also think that if you end up in a scared straight program, they should rape you.
So it is about revenge then?
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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So it is about revenge then?
Yes. Why the fvck not? I'm sure there are many people in this world that pretty much the only thing that will stop them is the thought of harsh revenge.

The thought of room and board, health care and 20 years of courtroom battles won't.
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Yes. Why the fvck not? I'm sure there are many people in this world that pretty much the only thing that will stop them is the thought of harsh revenge.

The thought of room and board, health care and 20 years of courtroom battles won't.
Revenge is hardly th act of an enlightened civilization. Mistreating someone whilst depriving them of their liberty is hardly likely to reform them and if the death penalty doesn't act as a deterent than not a lot is going to.

Personally the loss of my liberty would be a huge blow anyway.

Out of interest, given that no system is perfect, how many wrongly executed innocent people would be an acceptable number for every one hundred dead guilty ones?
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
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But the problem with that data is that the death penalty is not a deterrent. Avg 17-20 years on death row exhausting the appeals process. Why? To avoid killing a possible innocent person. That makes very good sense, but the criminals know they have a better chance of dying from natural causes on death row than being executed. Meanwhile, they are housed, fed and provided with medical care and educational benefits at taxpayer expense.

What's the answer?

Jesus was too smart to run for political office...
Well, prisoners in for life are also housed and cared for by taxpayer money, although the cost of death row and the appeal process is way more expensive. And states like Texas, who execute their inmates in a short period of time save money than states like NY.

But I am strongly against the death penalty. I don't think it deters murder, which should be the only reason why we have the death penalty.