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H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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Revenge is hardly the act of an enlightened civilization.
Sorry but IMO, child rapists and murderers forfeit the right to be treated fairly by an enlightened civilization.

If you rape a kid or murder someone, you "opt out". No mercy.
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Feeling the lag
Sorry but IMO, child rapists and murderers forfeit the right to be treated fairly by an enlightened civilization.

If you rape a kid or murder someone, you "opt out". No mercy.
What if you murdered someone who was stalking your daughter and you felt was a genuine danger to her?
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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What if you murdered someone who was stalking your daughter and you felt was a genuine danger to her?
I'd risk anything to save my kid. Any real father would risk going to prison (or being put to death) if it meant saving the life of a child.


I'd want to make REAL sure the person was a threat though, and that killing them was the ONLY option. That's self defense, not murder.
:twitch:
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
Sorry but IMO, child rapists and murderers forfeit the right to be treated fairly by an enlightened civilization.

If you rape a kid or murder someone, you "opt out". No mercy.

Especially if they are black or Mexican.
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
5,673
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Feeling the lag
I'd risk anything to save my kid. Any real father would risk going to prison (or being put to death) if it meant saving the life of a child.


I'd want to make REAL sure the person was a threat though, and that killing them was the ONLY option. That's self defense, not murder.
:twitch:
Sure but the only way you'd ever know for certain would be post-act, and what father is gonna wait for that to happen? I know I wouldn't.

You also ducked my question about percentage of dead good guys vs dead bad guys.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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You also ducked my question about percentage of dead good guys vs dead bad guys.
I think if they would stop wasting time on people they know beyond a shadow of a doubt are guilty and just get it over with then could spend more time and resources on the iffy cases.

So...percentages? I dunno. Point 5? Point 005? Improve the system to decrease or eliminate the likelihood of mistakes. Then proceed. Whatever the number is we live with it.


How many people killed on death row per year are later found to be innocent? How many come close and are let off?

How many scum bags kill people and rape children and get three hot meals a day?
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Rather than talking how death penalty deter crime on emotional bases I prefer to use links that can back up my opinon which is rather obvious in this case. Besides my english sucks.
Except your links were vague and without some sort of thesis from you, it's unclear where you're going with it.

or its the fact that guns are easy to get in the US. Look at the UK or Japan. no one has guns and they have virtually no murders compared to us. guns are evil, except for the ones i own and will own
..and that is my political rant for the day
Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.

I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.
 

deadatbirth

Monkey
Aug 29, 2007
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In a van down by the river
Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.

I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.
well if theres facts to back that up, then it just seems totally outa whack...the more guns, the less crime....it sounds weird, but if it works, then thats great. id be all for it
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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VT
well if theres facts to back that up, then it just seems totally outa whack...the more guns, the less crime....it sounds weird, but if it works, then thats great. id be all for it
LO isn't familiar with stats 101, outliers are not the general picture even if they are factual rather than BS stories you heard about :busted:
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
Except your links were vague and without some sort of thesis from you, it's unclear where you're going with it.



Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.

I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.

The US has the highest gun population in the developed world and one of the highest crime rates. Crime has little to do with gun ownership and more to do with economic and social disparity.
 

deadatbirth

Monkey
Aug 29, 2007
657
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In a van down by the river
well im just saying that something as crazy sounding as it is, would make people hesitant about the idea....but like i said, if it worked than great. im sure it wont be a good idea for cities like New Orleans, Detroit or Camden
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Japan
Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.

I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.
Stop getting your information on Australia from Paul Hogan movies and Steve Irwin.:disgust1:
You've never been able to own handguns easily in Australia and the ownership of guns in general has been tightened since 1996. The death penalty was abolished everywhere in the 80's and the last execution was in 1968.
The most recent year figures were available for has homicides (all causes) at historically low levels. Make of that what you will.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
7,843
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Japan
Some of you have the idea that prison as it is now is some kind of wonderland of joy instead of already being the worst place on Earth, well other than anywhere in a mile radius of N8.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
7,843
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Japan
So wouldn't it be better to make that better rather than make prison worse? Of course it's easier to make prison worse and there's votes in it.:disgust:
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
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chez moi
You should fit right in. 'Specially with some of the whipping boys in the lounge.
His English is FAR better than most of the whipping boys' from the lounge. Seriously...hell, I'm gonna rep him for it...lack of causal connections aside.

If the death penalty doesn't act as a deterent than not a lot is going to.
That's the most insightful statement in the thread...lotta truth in that to chew on. I have a feeling we'll end up drawing opposing conclusions from it, however...
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Feeling the lag
His English is FAR better than most of the whipping boys' from the lounge. Seriously...hell, I'm gonna rep him for it...lack of causal connections aside.
True dat. Loopy was out of order there...
That's the most insightful statement in the thread...lotta truth in that to chew on. I have a feeling we'll end up drawing opposing conclusions from it, however...
My only real objection to the death penalty is that eventually innocent people will be killed in error (or worse for political purposes). The only way to avoid that is not to use the death penalty. Any punishment that is not permanent is far better as innocent people can be reprieved.

I totally agree that some scum cannot be rehabilitated and should be permanently removed from society. I also understand the thirst for revenge. But the danger of killing the wrong people still prevents me from supporting the death penalty.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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But the danger of killing the wrong people still prevents me from supporting the death penalty.
How about for example:

DNA evidence confirms that a man raped and killed a child. (semen, etc)
= instant death. The day the sentence is handed down.

That ok with you?
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
7,843
114
Japan
How about for example:

DNA evidence confirms that a man raped and killed a child. (semen, etc)
= instant death. The day the sentence is handed down.

That ok with you?
Yeah, because having no appeal process is a sure fire way to cut down on errors.:twitch: Maybe we can charge the families for the cyanide too?