Sorry but IMO, child rapists and murderers forfeit the right to be treated fairly by an enlightened civilization.Revenge is hardly the act of an enlightened civilization.
What if you murdered someone who was stalking your daughter and you felt was a genuine danger to her?Sorry but IMO, child rapists and murderers forfeit the right to be treated fairly by an enlightened civilization.
If you rape a kid or murder someone, you "opt out". No mercy.
I'd risk anything to save my kid. Any real father would risk going to prison (or being put to death) if it meant saving the life of a child.What if you murdered someone who was stalking your daughter and you felt was a genuine danger to her?
Sorry but IMO, child rapists and murderers forfeit the right to be treated fairly by an enlightened civilization.
If you rape a kid or murder someone, you "opt out". No mercy.
Sure but the only way you'd ever know for certain would be post-act, and what father is gonna wait for that to happen? I know I wouldn't.I'd risk anything to save my kid. Any real father would risk going to prison (or being put to death) if it meant saving the life of a child.
I'd want to make REAL sure the person was a threat though, and that killing them was the ONLY option. That's self defense, not murder.
You six sigma blackbelts are just never satisfiedassuming that's true, you've shown a correlation. bravo. now where is the causal relationship?
Maybe that could be a death penalty alternative. A surgically implanted mp3 player with 80G of gnu metal on continuous loop.Or nu-metal.
legitimate excuse for murder...but try roughing the guy up firstWhat if you murdered someone who was stalking your daughter and you felt was a genuine danger to her?
I think if they would stop wasting time on people they know beyond a shadow of a doubt are guilty and just get it over with then could spend more time and resources on the iffy cases.You also ducked my question about percentage of dead good guys vs dead bad guys.
48 hours of Mudvayne and I slit my own throat.Maybe that could be a death penalty alternative. A surgically implanted mp3 player with 80G of gnu metal on continuous loop.
Reminds me of the episode of SNL where they stick Hanson in an elevator and subject them to endless loops of MmmBop.Maybe that could be a death penalty alternative. A surgically implanted mp3 player with 80G of gnu metal on continuous loop.
do they even care after they are put to death if they are innocent or not? i mean theres nothing you can do after they are gone.How many people killed on death row per year are later found to be innocent?
Except your links were vague and without some sort of thesis from you, it's unclear where you're going with it.Rather than talking how death penalty deter crime on emotional bases I prefer to use links that can back up my opinon which is rather obvious in this case. Besides my english sucks.
Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.or its the fact that guns are easy to get in the US. Look at the UK or Japan. no one has guns and they have virtually no murders compared to us. guns are evil, except for the ones i own and will own
..and that is my political rant for the day
well if theres facts to back that up, then it just seems totally outa whack...the more guns, the less crime....it sounds weird, but if it works, then thats great. id be all for itExcept that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.
I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.
I'm just saying that it has worked, doesn't mean it's actually a good idea.well if theres facts to back that up...
LO isn't familiar with stats 101, outliers are not the general picture even if they are factual rather than BS stories you heard aboutwell if theres facts to back that up, then it just seems totally outa whack...the more guns, the less crime....it sounds weird, but if it works, then thats great. id be all for it
You posts are outliers, so take that!LO isn't familiar with stats 101, outliers are not the general picture even if they are factual rather than BS stories you heard about
Except your links were vague and without some sort of thesis from you, it's unclear where you're going with it.
Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.
I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.
I agree completely.Crime has little to do with gun ownership and more to do with economic and social disparity.
I'll buy that for a dollarCrime has little to do with gun ownership and more to do with economic and social disparity.
So then why did you offer up your outlier thenI agree completely.
try reading the thread. Did you see what I posted in relation to the quote?So then why did you offer up your outlier then
Stop getting your information on Australia from Paul Hogan movies and Steve Irwin.Except that there's whole cities around the world, esp. Australia that have a VERY high (if not maximum) population gun rate. When nearly everyone is armed, you get very little crime.
I think one city in OZ required every citizen to carry. Low crime.
No different than home to some.Some of you have the idea that prison as it is now is some kind of wonderland of joy instead of already being the worst place on Earth.
When will Ron Paul be there?
His English is FAR better than most of the whipping boys' from the lounge. Seriously...hell, I'm gonna rep him for it...lack of causal connections aside.You should fit right in. 'Specially with some of the whipping boys in the lounge.
That's the most insightful statement in the thread...lotta truth in that to chew on. I have a feeling we'll end up drawing opposing conclusions from it, however...If the death penalty doesn't act as a deterent than not a lot is going to.
Even worse would be 2MB on loop. Cut out any semblance of variety.Maybe that could be a death penalty alternative. A surgically implanted mp3 player with 80G of gnu metal on continuous loop.
True dat. Loopy was out of order there...His English is FAR better than most of the whipping boys' from the lounge. Seriously...hell, I'm gonna rep him for it...lack of causal connections aside.
My only real objection to the death penalty is that eventually innocent people will be killed in error (or worse for political purposes). The only way to avoid that is not to use the death penalty. Any punishment that is not permanent is far better as innocent people can be reprieved.That's the most insightful statement in the thread...lotta truth in that to chew on. I have a feeling we'll end up drawing opposing conclusions from it, however...
How about for example:But the danger of killing the wrong people still prevents me from supporting the death penalty.
Yeah, because having no appeal process is a sure fire way to cut down on errors. Maybe we can charge the families for the cyanide too?How about for example:
DNA evidence confirms that a man raped and killed a child. (semen, etc)
= instant death. The day the sentence is handed down.
That ok with you?