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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by nmn25, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. nmn25

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    I have a single pivot bike and have the option of running a floating brake. I would have to buy a new wheel and add about a pound and a half to my frame. so, my question is, should i run it? Im coming off a giant faith (which i believe is pretty neutral). Is brake jack that big of a deal ?

    I did a search but nothing seem to come to a conclusion.

    my bike is simple single pivot (no linkage or idler pulley), and the pivot is at mid level (think cove peeler) if that affects your answers
     

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  2. Demomonkey

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    My advice would be to run the bike set up without the floater and see if it bugs you or not.

    Its a personal preference, some people mind the effects of brakes on suspension and others don't. I would suggest finding out where you stand before you dump a load of cash and add significant weight (and possibly noise) to your frame.
     
  3. nmn25

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    oh, i have the floater aleady. but my wheel is a 150 and if i run the floater i need a 135 so would need to buy a new wheel (i have a 150 now)
     
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    Like Demo said, its a personal preferance. Personally i dont mind either way. I have ridden both, and dont have a problem with either, I like leaving my brakes as they come on the bike, as far as binding, hop, jack.....Whatever you want to call it, just lay off the brakes in your corners and it wont be a problem anyways
     
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    I've owned several single pivot DH bikes over the years. Brake jack is almost always an issue, especially with high forward pivot bikes.
    I've decided that it really comes down to the rider and the riders skill level. I owned a Super 8. It was my first full on DH bike. It had horrible brake jack and would skip over washboard and other rough terrain while braking. I also owned a Balfa BB7. I really couldn't tell the difference with or without the floater.

    What terrain do you ride and how good of a rider are you. The Super 8 was early in my riding career, so I had a bad habit of dragging the rear brake through turns. If you ride a lot of resort trails with bad braking bumps, the floater is nice.

    I now ride a DHR, and I have and disciplined enough to lay off the brakes in the turns. I wouldn't sacrifice the weight for a floater now.
     
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    Everyone says, that most of the breaking is done on the front. Someone very nice at Foes one day took the time on the phone to explain to me the concept of floating break, but I would figure it wouldn't make that much of a difference with front break being the majority. That's all I use. But then again, I've never had the pleasure of riding a floater let alone a VPS. :hmm:
     
  7. nmn25

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    i am fairly experienced. my riding consists of half jump/drop type freeride (so not necesscarry) to whistler (will be there for a week). I also race collegiate in colorado. it is a forward mid level pivot.
     
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    what frame are you on?
     
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    The BB7s, without a floater, has more brake interference (technically it's pro-squat, not jacking, but whatever) than pretty well any other bike out there. What you felt on each bike was either in your head or due to a different factor (shock/setup perhaps).
     
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    I think it depends on the layout of the suspension. The high forward pivot bikes benefit from a floater, IMO. I had an older DHI and I don't think it would have benefited from a floating setup
     
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    I think it had more to do with my skill level. That was my point. Better riders with better habits have less to gain than newer riders on bad trails. If all I rode was a-line, I would want a floater.
    I know Fabien Barel used one, but I think that was more marketing than anything else since you can't not use one on that bike.
    If you are an expert level rider or better, I would save your money and weight.
     
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    so yea...why dont you tell us what frame it is?

    im sure that there are plenty of people that can give you the exact info/rider input that you are looking for
     
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    The spots its going to help the most on are on washboard braking into corners in race courses and when you aren't familiar with a trail and its braking points.
     
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    yo whats the crazy green bmx crank in the top center (in the background)? it looks like its mated up to some sort of g-boxx, or just a crazy oversized bb
     
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    thats part of a battle axe frame (think brooklyn machine works bikes). sorry, no gearbox
     
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    the old clif cat jack shaft, right?
     
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    yup, it was an old jackshaft bike, but they brought it back last year and refined the design somewhat
     
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    yea i saw the new pics... very cool bike. I always liked clif cat stuff.
     
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    Link us to the Battle Axe pics please.
    On the BB7 i liked no floater,the back would squat a bit as the front dived under brakes,kept the geo semi consistent.Does pack up the shock though,but not much.
     
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    I'm thinking of getting a DHR for my next bike (currently on a Sunday) but am concerned about the effects of brakes on the rear suspension. I don't want to run floaters either - cant be bothered with the weight and complexity and noise.

    My riding is getting to the point where I am getting disciplined as you comment above. I'm more interested in how the suspension is working braking into the corner.

    How do you think the DHR works on the anchors? Some SP bikes perform better than others and I 'm not overly concerned about it, but want to do my research before laying down the cash.

    My previous experience is on an I-drive (not bothered by the effects) and VPP (again not bothered) and early SC heckler (hated the effect).

    Any other monkeys on DHRs - your comments welcome.

    Cheers
     
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    That battle axe does look like a Brooklyn but it is not the same too. It looks like a really sweet bike. I'm running a floating brake on my foes and i think it work quite well. I have not run it with out it thought too so i really cant say which is better.
     
  24. Sandwich

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    I love the floater on my BMW. To be honest, all the prior bikes I've ridden have had floaters, besides my arrow and Prophet. Those bikes suffered terribly under braking, I thought, and the bmw is still smooth as butter. It's worth it, IMO, but do as you will. I wouldn't think a brake arm would add a pound and a half, but if you say so...I'd try and pick up a cheapo 135mm wheel, then you can at least experiment a little.