agreed.No 20mm on the 34 series forks...
The inverted fork they tested had 36mm stanchions.no inverted 40 no care
no inverted 36 no care.The inverted fork they tested had 36mm stanchions.
And apparently sucked so bad it didn't make it past a couple runs at the US Open.The inverted fork they tested had 36mm stanchions.
I thought their only prototypes were stolen when their truck and trailer were hijacked in QuebecAnd apparently sucked so bad it didn't make it past a couple runs at the US Open.
I was all over this 34 for my transition bandit. Then heard 15mm, stupid.15mm only on the 34? Guess I'll keep my Revelation.
Conversion kits for 20mm-->15mm axles are available for DT Swiss, Hope, Industry 9, Hadley, Sun Ringle, Atomlab, Mavic, etc. There are very few exceptions where the hub maker made the hub shell so that it will only work with 110mm spacing.I think the 15mm axle has revised spacing specifically to **** over people who already own a quality existing 20mm setup. The 15mm axle is @100mm, rather than 110mm which every other mountain bike has been since the dawn of time (not really). In other words, your 20mil will be too wide, and your 15mil wheel will be too thin to be converted (in some cases) to work on a 20mil.
Seems to me, the industry said **** YOU GUYS to it's customers.
but youll still have a 15mm axle though.Naive question perhaps, but couldn't most folks get adaptors for their hubs so a 15 mm axle will work? PITA for sure, and I certainly wish the 34 came with a 20.
Correction: **** you customers, buy all new stuff.I think the 15mm axle has revised spacing specifically to **** over people who already own a quality existing 20mm setup. The 15mm axle is @100mm, rather than 110mm which every other mountain bike has been since the dawn of time (not really). In other words, your 20mil will be too wide, and your 15mil wheel will be too thin to be converted (in some cases) to work on a 20mil.
Seems to me, the industry said **** YOU GUYS to it's customers.
whats the diff?Good to hear that fox listened to customers about the RC2 v RLC thing!
The way I see it, the real benefit to either system over a traditional QR is that the axle is fully captured by the lowers. On the 36 the axle applies exactly the same clamping forces to the front hub and the axle flaps keep the axle from loosening. On a Maxle system again, the axle clamps the hub precisely the same and the expander (on one end only) locks the axle in place. The 15QR just uses an over center cam to accomplish the same thing.I think half of the problem is the fox/shimano design: Rockshox' u-turn expands so it effectively "clamped" or held in position with the lowers. Fox's qr 15 relies on everything being squeezed together to eliminate flex, which is almost identical to the crappy ass 10mm it replaced.
Separate high and low speed compression adjustments as opposed to just low speed and lockout.whats the diff?
Go look at a Maxle again. It expands on both ends.The way I see it, the real benefit to either system over a traditional QR is that the axle is fully captured by the lowers. On the 36 the axle applies exactly the same clamping forces to the front hub and the axle flaps keep the axle from loosening. On a Maxle system again, the axle clamps the hub precisely the same and the expander (on one end only) locks the axle in place. The 15QR just uses an over center cam to accomplish the same thing.
yeah, thats what i thought. my brain fartedSeparate high and low speed compression adjustments as opposed to just low speed and lockout.
Some do, some don't. The Boxxer Maxle does, other/newer models don't. Top Maxle below for example.Go look at a Maxle again. It expands on both ends.
Newest version actually - oldest on the bottom. Removes the weight of the skewer rod going to the non-lever side.I've owned 3 or 4 and they all did. You're right about that top one though, I stand corrected there. I assume that was an early version?
That and the lockout on the RLC seemed pretty useless to a lot of people on 160mm fork.yeah, thats what i thought. my brain farted
Good point- the more I think about it, the less it seems that the clamping style would make a big difference- maybe it is mostly the difference between 15 and 20mm axle that I could feel.The way I see it, the real benefit to either system over a traditional QR is that the axle is fully captured by the lowers. On the 36 the axle applies exactly the same clamping forces to the front hub and the axle flaps keep the axle from loosening. On a Maxle system again, the axle clamps the hub precisely the same and the expander (on one end only) locks the axle in place. The 15QR just uses an over center cam to accomplish the same thing.
non of the articles i've read regarding fox 2013 product says or even hints at anything about a redesign of the 40. nothing inverted, nothing air assisted, etc., but i'm far from in the know on this stuff.I am soooo close to pulling the trigger on a 2012 fox 40. So from what I gather from this thread, they are not redesigning it for 2013? I would hate to buy a brand new fork and then have the resale drop in 3-4 months if a new one came out.