Jbelt, unless you are really serious about points it wouldn't be worth while to come all the way out here just to race fontana.biker3 said:
Its Official Fontana will host National #1
- Thread starter blt2ride
- Start date
Now I'm bummedMani_UT said:Dude you're never gonna be cool with that kind of attitude
I'm really curious why you think this way.konabiker said:
How many venues have you raced before? what did you like/dislike about the venue?
Why do you think that Fontana can't produce a solid National?
What suggestions might help to make this race better?
The reason I ask is that I know a place that wants to run races and an FR/DH park but they want to know what they're getting into before they start, so they're looking for opinions.
ok lets see. sagebrush is hardly worth a natl. that place is worse than fontana. mt baldy doesnt have adequate lifts to accomidate a national. mt high cant have bikes for a few years because the forest service says so. mexico isnt in the US. thats the most stupid suggestion for a NATIONAL. and laguna isnt legal. even though i agree. i would love to race down telonics. unless you think ted williams is a good national i cant think of a better place in socal. why dont they just put it at N*?stiksandstones said:
Well I am from AR, so a non lift access race 3k miles away may be pushing it. He has a point.W4S said:
wow...all this complaining but no one else can come up with a legitimate alternative.....D
What's wrong with those things?merrrrjig said:
You hang out with Sanjay and MICRO, they are dark. And lower income people? Don't even start with that you High Roller you.
If there is anyone qualified to put on a National-caliber race it's Donnie. But I'm not too keen on the idea of using the current location as a successful venue.
Why Can't You Just Attend, See If It Was Worth It...then Bash It.
because that would make sense....bizutch said:
alf, im not saying anything bad about fontana, I think it will be perfect, its just not a resort town or anything, and sanjay and micro dont roll on dubs or sell CDs in the parking lot.
Let's be honest, NORBA isn't interested in legitimate alternatives. They asked for help a few years ago after everyone was bitching, a few of us offerred our expertises (PR, Marketing, Sponsorship, Course building etc) all of us received curt emails back - thanks but no thanks.BMXman said:
It looks like they listened to people a little. Look at all the dual slalom races.
On ****tastic courses. Ya, that's great. Thanks guys.black noise said:
Seriously, when the world starts to settle for Mediocracy, you know things are F-ed up. Just look at our prez.Transcend said:
Bootleg Canyon perhaps?
It is definitely sad when the world starts to settle for mediocrity, especially with spelling!biker3 said:
Come to the Snowmass national and you won't have to worry about a crappy dual slalom/4x course.Transcend said:
Look at it this way.... Donnie has been able to put together a little bit of a pro purse at his races....
Brian
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That course was not fantastic by any means. Hell they didnt even end up racing on it.WheelieMan said:
What they need is a mud hole right out of the gate....heikkihall said:
ink: Sorry I had to do it.
Preview of the most technical prelude to the finish line section at 'Tucky... The Wall!!!
Mediocracy is a perfectly legible and existant word in our fine language. Look it up, and if you question the context, you'll note we're talking norba here which most def. can fall under a "governing body" catagory. Thank you.WheelieMan said:
God, this sucks, im glad im not going.Shyrmp said:Preview of the most technical prelude to the finish line section at 'Tucky... The Wall!!!
There's nothing wrong with Fontucky's timing and scoring. I raced beginer mens DH last time and finished fith three seconds ahead of the guy in fourth, but my last fontuky race was almost a year ago so it may have improved since. go for the fun of it not to win and you won't be disapointedkonabiker said:
You're just bitter because you remember when racing NORBA events waas fun and you could make a good living at it. For some of the younger guys on RM this is the best they've ever seen a NORBA raceTranscend said:
Tell that to the pros, I bet they'd be pretty mellow about it you know? Considering they're racing for their jobs.maxyedor said:There's nothing wrong with Fontucky's timing and scoring. I raced beginer mens DH last time and finished fith three seconds ahead of the guy in fourth, but my last fontuky race was almost a year ago so it may have improved since. go for the fun of it not to win and you won't be disapointed
Fraser, how do you know about the courses? did you race at any?Transcend said:
Saw all of them, didn't race a single one. (I never race slalom anyways, just to be clear).Msisle Dad said:
The Slalom courses at NCS races are a joke. MTNX wasn't much better, save for a few. Only they raced horribly.
Bikes are not snowboards and they do not have a motor. Case closed, 4x will never work.
Well pictures on the web tend to be public domain, as well as hearing opinions and reports from other riders who don't bend over backwards for norba.Msisle Dad said:
The rider reports tend to be what does it for me. I get tons of these after every report, and post some of the good ones from Kintner etc. I don't tend to post the really mean ones, but rest assured, some riders send them.biker3 said:
The photos of a few gates on grass don't help, but it's pretty hard to tell anything from photos normally. (ie: the steepest DH courses look like a flat field or gently rolling hill in most photos).
I agree, 4x plain sucks, even on the WC stage where there is money and knowledge, barring unforseen blunders the guy who makes it to the first turn faster than everyone else wins the race 90% of the time which is totally lame.Transcend said:
Ok, away from Mt Snow's example of DS most mtx/ds were good. What were you seeing/hearing? I didnt hear other complaints.biker3 said:
Most Dh courses look insignificant on film, web pics etc. It's probably one of the major reasons DH didnt take off as an "extreme sport".
MTX racing doesnt film much better.
As for NORBA. The are not the course designers, thats the resorts responsibility. That's Mt Snows fault for lousy DS...And NORBA's for not holding them to a higher standard
I would assume it's a little late now, but why not have a national at Northstar? Is the construction not yet done? Would that even matter? The mountain is great. There is pleny of space for a slalom course, unless the meadows/hillsides that I see are protected. There is plenty of space for a cross country race, and there could even be a Super D.
Have the series final more towards the end of August, and put in the Northstar event in early August. This would be an excellent solution to the "lack" of Cali places to race. Bootleg is also a great suggestion. I'm sure Washington and Oregon also have some great mountains. Anyone ever heard of Bend, Oregon, the new capital of extreme mountain bikeous activities?
Have the series final more towards the end of August, and put in the Northstar event in early August. This would be an excellent solution to the "lack" of Cali places to race. Bootleg is also a great suggestion. I'm sure Washington and Oregon also have some great mountains. Anyone ever heard of Bend, Oregon, the new capital of extreme mountain bikeous activities?
Construction at Northstar isn't done yet. When they get the new village finished they will host a national (assuming they still exist).
Really?1soulrider said:
Wanna race super D?
I saw about page 5, someone said "all this complaining but no one has an alternative"
I am pretty sure about page 2 I mentioned about a dozen other places they could have held a national before this roach.
At supercross this weekend, someone was debating with me on how having the race in Fontana could open up the sport to a whole new demographic-I laughed...sure, tucky' kids who can barely afford to buy a big mac checking out $6000 DH bikes.
This is not to say people can not dream, I just thought it was a lame argument. I vote for changing "THE WALL" section to "THE WALL GARDEN" it makes it sound more extreme, although since air quality in fontana is one of the worst in the nation that is extreme enough.
I am pretty sure about page 2 I mentioned about a dozen other places they could have held a national before this roach.
At supercross this weekend, someone was debating with me on how having the race in Fontana could open up the sport to a whole new demographic-I laughed...sure, tucky' kids who can barely afford to buy a big mac checking out $6000 DH bikes.
This is not to say people can not dream, I just thought it was a lame argument. I vote for changing "THE WALL" section to "THE WALL GARDEN" it makes it sound more extreme, although since air quality in fontana is one of the worst in the nation that is extreme enough.
I'm throwing the Debbie Downer card on STIK
Wop Whaaaaaaabizutch said:
Seriously though, like I said before-If anyone can polish a turd, it will be Donnie. I have faith in that guy to put on a great event...but I am all about real estate.
Location, Location, Location.
i dont know if you noticed. but all those places you mentioned cannot be raced on for various reasons. the majority of those trails arent even legalstiksandstones said:
Did not notice, this thread frightens me.lovebunny said:
The places I mentioned have had numerous races before and could have again if the right people proposed to the powers that be. Anything is possible if done properly.