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hilarious :biggrin:
This thread is awesome.
You mean you stared at that for a while?
Jesus, Biker fox?????? I thought we had a ban on any bikerfox pics here..... My eyes are bleding now after catching up on this thread. I am just going to sit in the corner and cry now.
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I am curious though, how many people are thinking the split pivot is a DWlinkish design, By all descriptions ever on RM, its just an overrated SP. I dont see any link between the BB and the chainstays, All I see is that the pivot is right on the axle. Linky for those who havent seen it
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3196
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3196
Dave, you should just let everyone know that DW-link is now on Solectria. Electric powered suspension you have to recharge every race run!
PS their super secret pro rider is named Mao:biggrin:
PS their super secret pro rider is named Mao:biggrin:
Suspension design is NOT only skin deep. Just because it looks like a single pivot, doesn't mean all the force characteristics are the same. Split pivot helps with the braking force not unlike a horst link.
Remember just because it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and ****s like a duck doesnt mean its an alpacca, or something like that
split pivot axle path = single pivot
split pivot braking forces != single pivot
with a non-horst single pivot, the brake is attached to the chainstay. When applied, the brake will tend to rotate the chainstay in the direction of wheel rotation (always causing squat).
With a horst type config, or the split pivot, the brake is attached to the seat stay. The brake forces will now tend to rotate the seatstay in the direction of wheel rotation. Depending on the geo of the other links involved, this set-up can lean toward either squat or anti squat, something not possible in a 'single pivot'.
(yea there are many other things goin on here in the entire system, but this is enough for this conversation)
split pivot braking forces != single pivot
with a non-horst single pivot, the brake is attached to the chainstay. When applied, the brake will tend to rotate the chainstay in the direction of wheel rotation (always causing squat).
With a horst type config, or the split pivot, the brake is attached to the seat stay. The brake forces will now tend to rotate the seatstay in the direction of wheel rotation. Depending on the geo of the other links involved, this set-up can lean toward either squat or anti squat, something not possible in a 'single pivot'.
(yea there are many other things goin on here in the entire system, but this is enough for this conversation)
Maybe a stupid question, but I was wondering if the new unnamed DW link bike is coming next year or 2010?
I haven't followed all the Iron Horse DW threads, so feel free to shoot me if this has been answered a 100 times before
I haven't followed all the Iron Horse DW threads, so feel free to shoot me if this has been answered a 100 times before
I could see Norco using the split pivot design over the DW Link. Easy to manufacture (not so tight of tolerances), the cost would be minimal and using the licensing rights from DW would probably be cheaper than Specialized. I would say more bikes would use the split pivot over the DW Link based on the above.
Biker Fox gets DW-link? Oh yeah*Link
AHAHAHHAAHA Oh that's awesome. I would love to see Mao on a DH rig!
The fee for the DW link I heard was north of 100$/bike and I bet the split pivot would be the same, the FSR from Specialized is only 7$/bike. I really don't see Norco changing any time soon, they see to prefer to change the look of the bike every year instead of trying new suspenion platforms.
You heard wrong, although that would be nice!!
erm guys, didnt pivot cycles get the dw link? its being made on their bike if you go to their site...
nice bikes, but those don't look like dw suspension. Close yes, but the top link is diff. Not sure if it still falls under Dave's patent.
if you look at the site it even says it uses the dw link
Ibis also does the DW link. What people want to know, and the thing that DW has not talked about is what brand will be producing a DW link DH bike
I didn't look that close.
He said "DH bike", not "trail bike that Ibis is paying Bryan Lopes a bunch of money to occasionally race DH on."
True but you know some folks (or at least one person)truly believe that the Mojo is the ultimate do it all bike worthy of racing WC?
not on the world circuit... Plus Lopes isnt exactly a DH rider either... he used to do it then he started focusing on 4X and DS instead...
why because he doesn't compete?
If you've ever seen him on a mountain you'd think otherwise.
He's a pretty good DH rider, but he hasn't been racing or training for DH for a long time so I would imagine he wouldn't be a top ten rider at a WC race on a regular DH bike. Put him on a 5.5" bike when WC tracks have only gotten gnarlier each year and I think he'd have a pretty rough time keeping up.
Not saying him or that 5.5" bike are WC contenders, but saying he isn't a DH rider is like saying Carter isn't a BMX'er or Cedric isn't a freerider, ect. Most guys don't stop doing the other aspects of MTBing just because they stopped competing.
I agree that touting that 5.5" bike for DH is a stretch, no matter who the pilot is.
I ride an ibis mojo, and they totally kick ass for trail riding. I love the bike to death, but it's in no way a DH bike.