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Mullet Peacemaker Shout Out
- Thread starter Chris M
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The amazing thing is that the secret sauce is easily reverse engineered with a tape measure. Unless they don't want to set expectations and disappoint customers like I was with my Yeti 575 where no physical measurement came close to anything published in a geometry chart.
I am guessing you just like the bigger wheel(s) which makes a lot of sense for your height and trails. You just like to swing both ways.
don't forget that every other MFG publishes their chart so it's not like they are hiding anything. Plus a single pivot with no linkage has got to be the easiest design to copy by eye- you can get pretty close to accurate on some pretty complex designs so I'm not sure a few mm is going to affect a bullit copy.
Who knows, never ridden one but the "look test" on the hardtail I'd be marketing great ride quality for an aluminum hardtail. I would guess those high extended chain stays should make for a smoother ride, all else being equal.
The hardtail rides like a dream!
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I like the rollability of the bigger front wheel combined with the tuckability of the little back wheel. It's definitly 3F. Fast, flickable, fun.
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I like the rollability of the bigger front wheel combined with the tuckability of the little back wheel. It's definitly 3F. Fast, flickable, fun.
That’s “elevated chainstay” to you mister. Made popular by Nishiki and Alpinestars in the early 90s.
I threw a leg over @boostindoubles honeymaker and it did ride really nice. I’ve been on full suspension since the late 90’s because comfort. An old riding buddy had a late 90’s special ed hard tail and that thing was harsh. So I reluctantly tried the honeymaker, I was surprised. It was dam smooth and I liked it. Sooooo ya that’s about it outta me. I think about buying one sometimes.
Darn it, I want to go ride mine right now.
Charge me $1,499 for an alloy hardtail made overseas that I can't see all the details on beforehand?
Nah bro, I'm good.
Nah bro, I'm good.
The proof is in the riding. You can’t compare symmetrical wheel geo numbers to what Mullet put together. Mike Vidovich started developing their mixed wheel geometry in ‘13 as a Foes dealer. Consider for a moment how long the geo for Mullet cycles has been around and the cult following that formed from his Timberline Cycles Shop and the Foes Mixer that Mike developed. You don’t need iterative improvement (a la DW) if you’ve already made a saltatory leap beyond what the industry can offer.
The onus is on the symmetrical wheel incumbents to prove why mtb shouldn’t take the same evolutionary route as the motorcycle.
Your mountain bike has the same size wheels because of the UCI and their mandate to preserve ‘the essential character of the road cycle’ and stifle innovation so that track racing and the Tour de France would look the same since 1903.
I encouraged Miles to post the shock characteristic curve on the vital mtb announcement for the sake of transparency but as Miles predicted people wouldn’t get it. Folks like Vorsprung should have known better that a regressive shock characteristic doesn’t entail the same curve for a suspension kinematic ie when the shock is compressed on the bike. So there goes the regressive straw man. Miles wanted to put the shock mount on the top tube but the ISO engineers wouldn’t allow it. With the shock mounted on the down tube the shock characteristic had to be altered to preserve a linear suspension kinematic.
Back to the geo. The Mullet head angle is a bit steeper than you’d want on your safety bike. If you buy the latest spewage from pinkbike then I guess that might be your kick plus longer chain stays. It takes a media machine to sell incrementalism.
I got the last Ti hard tail but even at 5’ 10” my arms and legs are too long for the Medium frame. With a slammed 70mm stem and riser bars my Medium Honeymaker fits like a Large frame. This fitment was confirmed by Mike Vidovich and even Brian Lopes when he asked me some basic questions (wheelie too easily with the saddle at full extension, feeling too upright in the cockpit etc). Mike developed a rather robust fitment system but you can’t account for everyone based on rider height alone when frames are built around inseam and reach.
For the complainers about the BB height, Hardtailparty didn’t get it either and he’s not a particularly aspirational rider.
My large peacemaker frame awaits a Rotor hydraulic group set.
come at me bros, haters gonna hate.
Ride a real Mullet and then tell me what you think.
The onus is on the symmetrical wheel incumbents to prove why mtb shouldn’t take the same evolutionary route as the motorcycle.
Your mountain bike has the same size wheels because of the UCI and their mandate to preserve ‘the essential character of the road cycle’ and stifle innovation so that track racing and the Tour de France would look the same since 1903.
I encouraged Miles to post the shock characteristic curve on the vital mtb announcement for the sake of transparency but as Miles predicted people wouldn’t get it. Folks like Vorsprung should have known better that a regressive shock characteristic doesn’t entail the same curve for a suspension kinematic ie when the shock is compressed on the bike. So there goes the regressive straw man. Miles wanted to put the shock mount on the top tube but the ISO engineers wouldn’t allow it. With the shock mounted on the down tube the shock characteristic had to be altered to preserve a linear suspension kinematic.
Back to the geo. The Mullet head angle is a bit steeper than you’d want on your safety bike. If you buy the latest spewage from pinkbike then I guess that might be your kick plus longer chain stays. It takes a media machine to sell incrementalism.
I got the last Ti hard tail but even at 5’ 10” my arms and legs are too long for the Medium frame. With a slammed 70mm stem and riser bars my Medium Honeymaker fits like a Large frame. This fitment was confirmed by Mike Vidovich and even Brian Lopes when he asked me some basic questions (wheelie too easily with the saddle at full extension, feeling too upright in the cockpit etc). Mike developed a rather robust fitment system but you can’t account for everyone based on rider height alone when frames are built around inseam and reach.
For the complainers about the BB height, Hardtailparty didn’t get it either and he’s not a particularly aspirational rider.
My large peacemaker frame awaits a Rotor hydraulic group set.
come at me bros, haters gonna hate.
Ride a real Mullet and then tell me what you think.
A peacemaker?
I've been riding mixed wheel bikes since 2014, the last two were custom frames designed around being mixed wheel bikes.
It makes fuck all difference in the real world, they drift a bit weird initially and they turn a bit better, but it's just a slightly smaller wheel, common sense should suggest that just it's not going to perform miracles.
Were they designed by mullet? No, but there's not much to spec'ing hardtail geo or a SP with a shitty leverage rate so I don't think I did any worse than what they would have.
It makes fuck all difference in the real world, they drift a bit weird initially and they turn a bit better, but it's just a slightly smaller wheel, common sense should suggest that just it's not going to perform miracles.
Were they designed by mullet? No, but there's not much to spec'ing hardtail geo or a SP with a shitty leverage rate so I don't think I did any worse than what they would have.
then put a 29 on the back and 26 in the front
Finally, someone who gets it.
A Russian bot farm?
I thought bot also but theres too much truth in there. Its the ramblings of a qualified opinion!
