[sethimus]

Review: Evil Chamois Hagar gravel bike is (no) slacker on road or trail

Evil's Chamois Hagar is the mountain bikers' gravel bike! But with trail bike geometry & huge tire clearance, does its weird geometry work for dirt roads?

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[Vrock]

I don't understand why Evil is getting into gravel bikes and at the same time don't have an XC model in their catalog....

 

[chris_f]

Because more than most other bike companies, Evil is trend-whoring like they're paid to do so. Which they are.

 

[sethimus]

I don't understand why Evil is getting into gravel bikes and at the same time don't have an XC model in their catalog....

what’s a xc bike these days anyway?

 

[rideit]

I don't understand why Evil is getting into gravel bikes and at the same time don't have an XC model in their catalog....

Because who is buying XC bikes these days?
a couple of weenies.
who is buying gravelbikes these days?
all of the weenies.
simple math.

 

[jstuhlman]

throw a 100mm fork, flat bars, and 2.1 tires on that bad boy...xc bike

 

[Olly]

I don't understand why Evil is getting into gravel bikes and at the same time don't have an XC model in their catalog....

Is the Following not XC enough for you?

 

[Vrock]

Not even close, the best XC frames right now are two pounds lighter than the Evil, the fork adds another pound and everyone is using big tires so you end up with a heavy Trailbike.

 

[sethimus]

and the market for light racebikes is bigger than the market for 120mm trailbikes? they don’t need to supply a race team with frames, so why bother?

 

[Vrock]

Here in Spain there are thousands and thousands of roadies, most of them have an XC MTB as a second bike, lots of XC Hardtails and a few FS. Nobody gets a gravel bike as their second bike.

Then you have a lot of people doing XC with nicer bikes, and they always get a roadbike for training.
Then you have some people doing Enduro and half of them are riding Ebikes now.

 

[rideit]

Here in Spain there are thousands and thousands of roadies, most of them have an XC MTB as a second bike, lots of XC Hardtails and a few FS. Nobody gets a gravel bike as their second bike.

Then you have a lot of people doing XC with nicer bikes, and they always get a roadbike for training.
Then you have some people doing Enduro and half of them are riding Ebikes now.

That being said, there a few million miles more gravel/dirt roads in the US...

 

[slimshady]

Here in Argentina the gravel segment is rising. Most of the mid pack road racers/Lance Armstrong wannabes down here were buying XC bikes and then putting road cassettes and cranks on them, and racing stupid rural bike races (XC races on countryside roads, but stripped of any technical features). The gravel movement has given them the ability to ride something similar to they road whippets but on the tamer trails, instead of them getting smashed on highways (they use them even that's plainly illegal). I'm okay with that. I'm not so OK with them creating Strava lines and removing technical features from the trails.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

Good listen:

https://www.velonews.com/2020/01/bik...eometry_504037

 

[sethimus]

so it’s weagel‘s fault

 

[Bikael Molton]

Instead of this Evil, I’d rather ride the more capable Spec Fuse Comp 29 for $1600 complete.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

so it’s weagel‘s fault

I don't think it's anyone's 'fault' I actually want one of these things...

 

[slimshady]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-2020-evil-following.html

Retarded seat angle is still retarded. An inherited birth mark?

 

[maxyedor]

I'm not sure I see a better route, but that internal/external brake and shifter routing is pretty fugly. Whole bike is actually only decent looking if you've just recently seen the Sammy Haggard or whatever the gravel bike is called first.

Bet they sell eleventy million of them though.

 

[HAB]

If you insist on doing internal routing, at least put it through the downtube. That loop at the seat tube looks like shit, and those cables are going to get pulled on like crazy as the suspension cycles.

 

[Westy]

I'm not sure I see a better route, but that internal/external brake and shifter routing is pretty fugly. Whole bike is actually only decent looking if you've just recently seen the Sammy Haggard or whatever the gravel bike is called first.

Bet they sell eleventy million of them though.

And for more than most dentist bikes. Well list price, does anyone actually buy these new or just at the end of the year when they are half off?

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

big fan of evil but something looks off w/ this, I think it's the cable.

 

[ianjenn]

I just don't get what the purpose of launching an update was? I guess the LifeTime warranty was a big change but the 1 or 2-degree post alteration isn't gonna make a huge difference. Did that add anything else?

 

[wiscodh]

I just don't get what the purpose of launching an update was? I guess the LifeTime warranty was a big change but the 1 or 2-degree post alteration isn't gonna make a huge difference. Did that add anything else?

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPA BOOOOOOOST

 

[two-one]

I saw the geometry and figured it was nice and modern... 77deg seat angle. But then paranoia kicked in, and I started measuring some pixels on the side-on image.
Using the chainstay 430mm as a reference, I found numbers that are way off from the geometry chart, and I can't find out why.
I'm pretty sure it's an image of the Medium size, because the seattube length seems to pan out.

 

[slimshady]

Well, the saddle's position on the seatpost kinda tells the story. It still comes super short on the reach department according to your measurements though.

 

[sethimus]

 

[4xBoy]

Cool.

I name it;

The Swallowing

 

[DaveW]

The "Financial ruining"

 

[slimshady]

Nice way to hide the STA...

 

[4xBoy]

Nice way to hide the STA...

80⁰

Next level.

 

[HardtailHack]

80⁰

Next level.

But that will be the effective angle, once you put your seat up to the required height it will be 69deg.

I hope it's called the unraveling.

 

[4xBoy]

But that will be the effective angle.

The unraveling.

It is new math, you probably don't have a bigly enough maths ability to understand.

Wonder if The Unraveling will be designed to work only with a Message fork,.. oh wait.

 

[jonKranked]

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Fun with editing.

 

[ianjenn]

Fun with editing.

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Another trail bike with basically the same layout. That's almost as exciting as seeing an EX at the grocery store......

 

[4xBoy]

X-FORCE!

 

[HardtailHack]

It is new math, you probably don't have a bigly enough maths ability to understand.

Wonder if The Unraveling will be designed to work only with a Message fork,.. oh wait.

I can't even count the number of pivots on an Evil single pivot frame.

 

[jonKranked]

X-FORCE!

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[slimshady]

X-FORCE!

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[Sandwich]

man, that looks dumb enough that you'd have to run your seatpost backwards

not that anyone would do that. anyone normal

 

[vinny4130]

It is new math, you probably don't have a bigly enough maths ability to understand.

Wonder if The Unraveling will be designed to work only with a Message fork,.. oh wait.

you want a Message I’ll get you a Message, with nail polish.