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New Nomad
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looks awesome. I wish they would make getting the carbon links an upgrade option and look in to a better place for those grease ports.
Whey looks nice.. I like the grease ports... Wish other companies would do that!
Do you mean an upgrade for the prior model? If so, interesting idea. The links are different from the prior model (the pivots are in different places, etc.) so they would need entirely different molds to do that, which is probably too expensive given what would likely be pretty limited demand.
you mean MORE companies...
Turner had been doing this for years. And now Intense is following SC's footsteps.
c'mon you're in bed with those guys...make it happen damnit!
in a sealed pivot system where is the old grease being pushed out to?
Well, if pivots were truly sealed, they would never need more grease and no dirt would get in either.
And in this fairy tale world, all hot chicks would go pantiless, and do cartwheels in the street when I walk by.
That new Nomad looks sick.
The old one make me sick.
I like all the changes they made.
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What's yours guys opinion on the 14" BB; to high to low or just right?
Any lower and you'd be clipping a lot of pedals in technical climbing, esp if you have a travel adjust fork.
That would be awesome but i was referring to having an option to upgrade to carbon from aluminum links. Have a std. model and a blinged out model. Possibly even cater to the people who dont fully trust carbon yet.
...and Mr Wizard, what happens when you push old grease through your seals?
thats right, you ruin the seal...fast. So now instead of spending one hour every few months repacking/lubing the bearings, you can just pump more dirty grease through the seals and wear them out in half the time. In a sealed system grease zirks are pointless IMO.
Having ridden about 5 different 6" travel bikes in the last year with BB heights ranging from 13.5" to 14.25", I'd say it is a touch high (for my tastes) but a definite improvement over the current model. I've found my personal sweet spot to be 13.75".
ps - I think the new Nomad looks great.
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Aby sealed bearing can only have a limited seal, as it has to move. But didn't turner have grease ports as they used bushes, not bearings?. I like the grease ports idea, sure they look vulnerable but looks like an easy way to prolong bearing life though.
I think you took his comments the wrong way, and if you have such a strong opinion why ask the question?
Anyway, the seals aren't perfect, and even if they were, grease breaks down and needs to be replaced. The average rider can't break down and clean the bearings in an hour, and it's a pain regardless of how long it takes. As for ruining the seals, I can't say for sure, but my understanding is that the labyrinth seals on the new bearings and pivots do a pretty job of keeping debris out while still allowing the purging of old grease and contaminants. Pretty sure the grease ports also keep the pivot axles lubed, which helps too.
But I drink the SCB koolaid so take it for what it's worth.
Well, I'll leave the repacking of bearings to you muggles.
I have only owned Turners and Specialized bikes for years now,
and both companies have their pivot systems totally dialed.
With Turner, you use a grease gun every few months,
and with Specialized, you don't touch $hit, and you don't even have to replace shock bushings.
Not working on bikes gives me more time to work on my potions.
They don't call me Mr. Wizard for nothing.
I got what JR was saying, I was just smartassing myself.
Just from an engineering stand point, you don't normally run sealed bearings with grease zirks. Seal's make the whole getting grease in and out a bit difficult.
Carry on with the praise...it's a nice bike for sure.
Their bikes for sure are looking better and better. I wonder when the VP Free will get an update seems like its the one that needs it the most.
Were you at Downieville? I thought I saw someone who had the same bike as you.
I saw the new nomad in person there. It was pretty cool.
I love zircs. They work great will only a little regular maintenance. The problem is the people who ride their bikes in the mud and forget to get out the grease. This is 99% of the bike riding population.
man that is one sexy sexy bike.
might be a stupid question, but i'm out of the loop... is that an air Vivid?...
guess i'll say it before anyone else. what are the chances of the bottom grease port getting bent or knocked out of place?
might be a stupid question, but i'm out of the loop... is that an air Vivid?...
guess i'll say it before anyone else. what are the chances of the bottom grease port getting bent or knocked out of place?
couldnt agree moreIt is a monarch..It is the 'better' of the RS air shocks....bigger mount bushings, floodgate control. It has been around for a bit and I find it interesting that there has been no feedback that I have seen....
Great yet no one has it yet???? sucks??? It is an RS air shock and no one cares?? or still just equates it to older RS rear air shocks... I do not know.
They need a bike to compete with the socom and light dh market. It sold quite well if my memory serves me correctly.i still dont get why they even make this bike anymore, its almost pointless, 1 inch of travel?
It's a turd compared to the 2 bikes around it in the line, i know that is your point but honestly
YEP yep.. What i ment...you mean MORE companies...
Turner had been doing this for years. And now Intense is following SC's footsteps.
c'mon you're in bed with those guys...make it happen damnit!
why? so they can take pre-orders on 2 bikes that will never ship & skip a year on 2 bike models instead of one?
Oh, and Jeremy, if cartwheeling chics with no panties is your perfect world, why don't you just move to downtown Gaffney?
I may be wrong but I believe the grease ports are so you can put grease on the axles to stop them from creaking, and don't really have anything to do with the bearings themselves. Everytime my Nomad creaks it is because the axles are dry, adn I have to pull the linkage apart, put grease on them and put it back together. The bearings seem to always run smooth and silky.
EDIT: According to the article, I am wrong and it does go into the bearings. NM
EDIT: According to the article, I am wrong and it does go into the bearings. NM
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This article gives lots of information about the new blur, and a lot of it applies to the new Nomad.
http://www.speedproducts.no/newblt.pdf
http://www.speedproducts.no/newblt.pdf
Still too high. There are enough people like zark around that don't know how to pedal that it will still sell like crazy though
That said, the changes in suspension rate and shorter chainstays are enough to make me interested in riding one.
Anyone bother to look at the Santacruz site and see what they are recommending on the new LT with the same design as the nomad in terms of grease gun use and maintenance?
Click over and get info straight from the source...
http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tech/blurlt2_bearing.php
http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tech/blurlt2_tech.php
Click over and get info straight from the source...
http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tech/blurlt2_bearing.php
http://www.santacruzmtb.com/tech/blurlt2_tech.php
If it were DH specific I'd say lower away, but I got to climb some techy sh*t sometimesStill too high. There are enough people like zark around that don't know how to pedal that it will still sell like crazy though
Thanks. They are using shielded bearings and a outboard seal. That makes sense.
They put the VP Free on hold and are designing a slope style bike along with a slightly shorter travel(between 7" and 8") version of the VP Free. It seems likely they won't produce the VP Free again if the shorter travel version gets the green light. I'm just waiting for them to actually mass produce the Bluriana since the blur 4x is NLA.i still dont get why they even make this bike anymore, its almost pointless, 1 inch of travel?
It's a turd compared to the 2 bikes around it in the line, i know that is your point but honestly
I don't know Kevin - I also like low BB's, but my Nomad is even higher at 14.2 and to be honest it doesn't really bother me. As a matter of fact, because of the falling rate characteristics of the current Nomad, I've actually hit my pedals a few times trying to pedal too early when exiting a corner - and I'm running 170mm cranks.Still too high. There are enough people like zark around that don't know how to pedal that it will still sell like crazy though
That said, the changes in suspension rate and shorter chainstays are enough to make me interested in riding one.
I think the 13.75" suggested was spot-on. I'm going to see how my BLT2 works at 515mm (what I prefer) at Fell (rocky and tech) this weekend - I know its little lower than the RFX at the same AC. If it doesn't work out I can always turn the lever and go to 545mm - it still feels decent.
They revised the VPP for the next generation bikes so I don't think the falling thing is as much of an issue anymore. As the article notes in the first post:
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I got to climb some techy sh*t sometimes
You think the uphills in tahoe look any different than the downhills?
You're situation isn't unique, I promise.
Pedal timing needs to come into play on climbs and I really don't care if I hit a pedal while climbing. I do it all the time. It rarely screws me up and it's immaterial for an improved descending characteristic.
Luc, you're point about the suspension is definitely valid. I'm working off the assumption that the new design doesn't sit as deeply in its travel all the time like the current model which would further validate my point I think.
My enduro sl is at 13.8. I'd be stoked with 13.5. I used to ride an old max backbone frame with 4" and change of travel and the thing had a 12" bb. Other than the rear end flex, I loved that bike in corners.
Hitting your pedals once or twice doesn't really mean anything me other than 'be aware of it' for next time. I ripped a pedal out of my crank on my demo 7 a few weeks ago doing the same thing.....pedaling too early out of a turn. The last thing I want to do is get a bike with a higher BB. The coasting cornering is improved enough that waiting to unload your suspension a bit before pedaling is no big deal.
LOW FO LIFE!!!!
I hear the new Nomad VPP rate allow you to run a way lighter shock tune for better use of the travel. Which means more active at the top end and no big fall at the low end (bottom out).
This is definitely true. Acadian's point about lighter tune is also valid to the extent it means you won't need to run excess pressure or spring weight to compensate for the falling rate, like many current nomad riders seem to do.