[klunky]

Apparantly there is a new santa cruz bike being unvieled for the UK bike show....anyone know what it is? should know by the end of the month I guess.

Also apparantly Trek have an all new DH race machine 10" Travel single pivot.

Gary fisher will also have a 10" Travel DH bike linkage affair.

 

[zane]

Is there a real source for this info? A link perhaps?

 

[Mattoid]

Sounds nice, i beleive it.

 

[klunky]

no links Just hear say though Im almost 100% about the santa cruz thing

 

[bballe336]

who wants a trek or fisher downhill bike? the SC i am interested in though. but i cant see why they would release another new 10 inch travel bike when they just revamped the v10.

 

[Red Bull]

Maybe you can actually get it off the ground :eviltongu

 

[Curb Hucker]

I think Trek has a 10" linkage bike and GF a 10" single pivot. At least this is what the designer and marketing manager at trek told me when i rode with them in november.

 

[Rip]

The sessions are 7" I think.

 

[wirly]

I thought there has been rumors a while back that SC was designing a bike in the 6 inch travel range, possibly a sort of all-mountain bike. Maybe that is what is being unveiled. I know Intense is doing a 6.6" VP design.

 

[Matt D]

I think Trek has a 10" linkage bike and GF a 10" single pivot. At least this is what the designer and marketing manager at trek told me when i rode with them in november.

I doubt it. I would guess they'd be the same bike w/ different stickers like always. I don't think either company has a big enough foothold (or one at all) to support new DH bikes.

 

[zedro]

who wants a trek or fisher downhill bike?

people that dont have lame convictions....

 

[BillT]

people that dont have lame convictions....

I'd have to agree...the new Trek and GF offerings look very promising.

 

[Zark]

Ooh a new Trek and a new Gary Fisher DH bike! I can hardly contain my joy for corporate juggernauts

 

[dhtahoe]

Apparantly there is a new santa cruz bike being unvieled for the UK bike show....anyone know what it is? should know by the end of the month I guess.

Cooooould be the new VP-? that is to replace the Bullet maybe.

 

[zedro]

Ooh a new Trek and a new Gary Fisher DH bike! I can hardly contain my joy for corporate juggernauts

unlike the mom and pop companies like Specialized and Santa Cruz

i guess people dont like more choices

 

[dhtahoe]

unlike the mom and pop companies like Specialized and Santa Cruz

i guess people dont like more choices

SC is still 100% family owned BTW, but I would not call Rob "pop" or he might "POP" me one. Last 4th of July he got ALL the employees a couple of houses and all the beer they could drink in Downieville for a week.

 

[ChrisRobin]

Ooh a new Trek and a new Gary Fisher DH bike! I can hardly contain my joy for corporate juggernauts

Corporate juggernaughts that can actually take care of warranties, have actual canadian distributors, and ship things on time. I've seen enough crap happen with guys like Santa Cruz and Balfa!

 

[ChrisRobin]

who wants a trek or fisher downhill bike?

What do YOU ride?

 

[-dustin]

well i was first told of a ~6" SC a while ago through a reliable source. hopefully this is it.

 

[zedro]

Last 4th of July he got ALL the employees a couple of houses and all the beer they could drink in Downieville for a week.

but does SC get LBS reps drunk during bike conventions? anyways...

and theres lotsa 'mom and pop' companies that dont make anything worth ****. A big company like Trek has room to pull off something really impressive if they want. Just cause a companies big, does that automoatically diminish the value of their product? or is it only peoples perception of brands that are cool?

Next thing you'll tell me is Bullits have more soul....

 

[Bulldog]

Cooooould be the new VP-? that is to replace the Bullet maybe.

Isn't the VPP brother to the single pivot Bullit already in existence in the VP-Free?

A 7" VPP all-mountain bike would be the obvious kin to the 5.6" Heckler.

 

[TheInedibleHulk]

My only guess for a new santa cruz would be a slightly lighter and shorter travel VPP to replace the bullit, or better yet, A lighter 7" bike with a mono front end to replace them both.

 

[Bulldog]

My only guess for a new santa cruz would be a slightly lighter and shorter travel VPP to replace the bullit, or better yet, A lighter 7" bike with a mono front end to replace them both.

Why do people keep talking about "replacing" the single pivot bikes? With the exception of the Super8, which had some big flaws, no SP bikes have been "replaced". They have VPP brothren with slightly more travel.

Superlight - Blur
Heckler - ?rumors?
Bullit - VPFree
Super8 (gone) - V10

 

[scurban]

Rumor has it that Santa Cruz is taking the blur, and going in two different directions with it. Much like Specialized's Enduro, 1 model is the 4x model, and the other is a 6" Enduro style bike. So I am assumeing that they will be unveiling the 6" version. VPP and all.

 

[zedro]

Why do people keep talking about "replacing" the single pivot bikes?

would be kinda funny seeing as Specialized started adding single pivots to their line as a reverse trend.

 

[mtbpaint]

the VP-Free and the Blur 4X have been out forever

 

[mtbpaint]

isnt the Gary Fisher are you talking about the King Fisher?

 

[TheInedibleHulk]

the VP-Free and the Blur 4X have been out forever

a whole year

 

[sanjuro]

The monolithic bike giants? Well, I have good and bad stories, like losing dealerships because 70% of your bikes are not a particular brand or forcing out your president because your supplier (another bike giant) is p*ssed you hired him away.

But I have worked for a bank, an oil company, a nuclear energy company, a military contractor, and a health insurance company. All of them are Fortune 500 companies, huge f*cking soul-eating places.

There is plenty of politicking and big business plays at Specialized and Trek. But people still ride up on their bikes at these jobs, so they are OK by my book.

 

[zedro]

...huge f*cking soul-eating places....

soul-eating is fun!

 

[jackalope]

OK, assuming that GF will build a longer travel version of the King Fisher and Trek will build a longer travel version of the session, do we really need another Orange 223 or Kona Stab? We got it, it's been done...Please stop...

And quite frankly, I think when most people think of Trek, they think of either Lance Armstrong or XCish type mountain bikes...And when people think of GF, they think of rear triangle's snapping over and over and over and over again on those super swell Sugar frames (or the awesome chain suck issues)...But seriously, GF didn't even have a bike offering over 4 inches of travel until the Cake came along recently...It seems analogous to Ferrari making dump trucks...Sure they could make one, by why bother? And is the pure-bred DH bike niche really that lucrative and worth getting into? Especially when you consider the aforementioned public preception hurdle they must overcome (not saying it's justified, just a common opinion in my experience)...

Obviously the Trek guys could build a decent bike, but seemingly, the DH crowd can be pretty fickle about which brand they buy - right or wrong...

On that note Zedro, you should sell your design to the Trekkies and let'em use that (presuming of course you could get the weight down under 80 lbs )

 

[scurban]

I'd ride a trek Session 77. Those things look pretty sweet to me.
I think the King fisher looks pretty damn cool to. I would love to have either one of them.

Besides I started riding XC 15 years ago, now all I do is pretty much dirt jump and ride skate parks on a single speed 4130 hardtail with a 4" travel fork. People can change, Comapines should be allowed too as well.

 

[dondon]

SC- 6.6" travel - 7lbs, VPP but not like the blurr or vp free. Curious - just have to wait another few weeks - then still more to come later this year.
Rennie,Voreis and 'o Donnel broke in the training compounds jumps in Socal today with crankworx like step on step off box jump at end of pack. Spomer spotted shooting for YM too.

 

[c2001]

all i know is that palmer was there today and that was sick...NO he's not on santa cruz or anything...he was just there being rad.

 

[mobius]

I think SC will eventually make a 5 or 6 inch vpp trail bike but dunno.

 

[TheInedibleHulk]

If trek and fisher provide more sponsorships and money for downhill racing, Im all for them making their crappy lame-o bikes.

 

[mobius]

Yeah if they throw more at the scene im down for it. Personally i think the session looks cool the tubing, paint, and rocker look cool. But its still just a trek.

 

[Tenacious Doug]

I doubt it. I would guess they'd be the same bike w/ different stickers like always. I don't think either company has a big enough foothold (or one at all) to support new DH bikes.

What like they have both gone with the same design on the current 7" freeride bikes?
There is a lot to distiguish between the two lineups, as far as I know the design teams are very much seperate and they will be coming up with different bikes.

 

[klunky]

isnt the Gary Fisher are you talking about the King Fisher?

nah...Its deffo a new bike.

with regards to the santa cruz I think it will be a 6" style bike but im not sure.

I dont really get why people bash Trek so much I love my diesel to bits. and the session and king fishers geom is really very different.

Trek have employed some pretty serious new suspension engineers as have fisher this year so we will wait and see.

 

[math2014]

Well all those DH pioneering companies dont have more than 10-12yrs of DH experience... this is 0 in my books and can be overtaken quite quickly by a bigger company.

If Trek, GF or any other Big company wants to get into DH or FR or anything, it doesnt really matter if they have produced only XC/Road bikes so far.

0.2 cents